Sonimus Satson (Console emulation) ready to buy now :)

[jam92189]

honestly I like my other console emulations better for effect. But the nice filters and the really subtle effect with the good gain control kinda have me at a sorta happy spot. I used it on a project and thought it was okay but blended with my other console emulations and things got really nice really quick. I had the console bypassed just used the filters and gain. the bus part I did use pretty nice overall i would give it a 7 because of the quality looks and low CPU hit.

[samsam]

^ each to their own but I think it's worth a higher score than that for the filters alone.

Add in the cool saturation and you've got a great little plug-in.

[jam92189]

^ each to their own but I think it's worth a higher score than that for the filters alone.

Add in the cool saturation and you've got a great little plug-in.

yea you are right the filters are amazing a 8 than ha

[bduffy]

^ each to their own but I think it's worth a higher score than that for the filters alone.

Add in the cool saturation and you've got a great little plug-in.

yea you are right the filters are amazing a 8 than ha

Yup. I still use this for the features and responsive meters, but I use RC-Tube and StripBus mainly.

[jam92189]

^ each to their own but I think it's worth a higher score than that for the filters alone.

Add in the cool saturation and you've got a great little plug-in.

yea you are right the filters are amazing a 8 than ha

Yup. I still use this for the features and responsive meters, but I use RC-Tube and StripBus mainly.

actually exactly what I do its great for filtering and gain staging though I love it for those fetures have to admit its a great little plugin

[macmuse]

Are satscom and VCC VU meters accurate? I remember, You talking about them in another post.

VCC is still slightly off, but only about 0,5db to 1dB max(!). I haven't updated in a while, but I remember something along those lines. Else SATSON and VCC are pretty much on the spot.

If you're in doubt, the best VU's I can recommend in this case are Klanghelm's VUMT and zplane's PPMulator XL. Nothing is more acourate and simpler to setup in terms of VU's as of this moment. I use VUMT myself prior to any console/module emulation.

Just came across this thread... and recently bought Satson. It brought up some questions I have:

1) Are you saying to put the VUMT before Satson and not use the Satson meters to gain stage? What I am doing is using Satson's gain knob to get the level around 0dbfs. Is this not a good plan? I also use its filters instead of separate hi/lo pass EQ.

2) In order to use Satson's gain knob as a trim, the switch has to be set to "Off", yes? which means it's bypassing the console emulation / saturation? If so:

3) Is it effective to first use Satson with switch turned off to do initial gain stage, then for further mixing, turn on the switch to use the gain knob for saturation? Or would doing this negate the initial gain stage?

OR, use VUMT for the trim/gain staging and always use Satson's switch turned on to use the gain knob for the amount of effect?

4) When recording virtual instruments, do you use the VU meters to get around O VU level during tracking? And if so, do you gain stage a second time with Satson, VUMT, etc. once the track has been printed to audio and you are now in the mixing stage, or is that redundant? In other words, would reaching OVU while tracking be sufficient?

Thank you!

[Compyfox]

1) Are you saying to put the VUMT before Satson and not use the Satson meters to gain stage? What I am doing is using Satson's gain knob to get the level around 0dbfs. Is this not a good plan? I also use its filters instead of separate hi/lo pass EQ.

I am saying that I use a VU as very first insert regardless of what comes after. I level in the signal so that the maximum peak (in dBFS) doesn't go to -9dBFS maximum, and the average signal doesn't go higher than -18dBFS / 0VU.

2) In order to use Satson's gain knob as a trim, the switch has to be set to "Off", yes? which means it's bypassing the console emulation / saturation? If so:

3) Is it effective to first use Satson with switch turned off to do initial gain stage, then for further mixing, turn on the switch to use the gain knob for saturation? Or would doing this negate the initial gain stage?

OR, use VUMT for the trim/gain staging and always use Satson's switch turned on to use the gain knob for the amount of effect?

The internal reference level can be setup in Satson. It's up to you whether or not you want to use the saturation module. But if the reference level is -18dBFS, then your average signal (bass heavy content) should not exceed -18dBFS or 0VU.

How you gain stage, is not important. As long as you do it right.

4) When recording virtual instruments, do you use the VU meters to get around O VU level during tracking? And if so, do you gain stage a second time with Satson, VUMT, etc. once the track has been printed to audio and you are now in the mixing stage, or is that redundant? In other words, would reaching OVU while tracking be sufficient?

If I track at 0VU / -18dBFS for bass intensive material and -9dBFS (peak) max for transient heavy material, I don not need to further gain stage.

Unless I'm like "whoops, recorded a too hot/cold - got to adjust that". But that is a very small fix.



So yes - a VU/Digital meter combo is essential in this case.

[Burillo]

1) i don't see why this would be needed. plus, satson can get its meter to be either on input or output.

2) this should be checked with the manual, but i believe turning the knob off will disable the gain as well (but still leave the filters on!). the gain knob is just pre-Satson amplification (which naturally results in more saturation if you drive it harder). so it actually *is* a gain knob, not a saturation knob - it's just that the saturation is a by-product of high input gain.

3) there's a gain compensation mode as well, that will let you "gain stage" into satson without actually affecting the levels. you would still need a separate plugin if you want to change the levels afterwards (or before, for that matter), but i fail to see a point in that - either use the gain knob, or use gain compensated mode if you just want the saturation. satson is fairly subtle until you go way above 0VU anyway.

[djanthonyw]

Just want to say that I've tried pretty much all of the console emulations now and I think after fair use, Satson is definitely the favorite and the one I will be using. I think it sounds most dynamic, and extremely similar to MLC for Nebula, which is my favorite out of all of the options I tried.

I also love that Satson doesn't come with three or more different console choices and is just one focused option. Anyway, those are my 2cents after using it for quite some time. Don't be fooled by the price, this is a great full scale console emulation that gets right the point!

[bduffy]

Just want to say that I've tried pretty much all of the console emulations now and I think after fair use, Satson is definitely the favorite and the one I will be using. I think it sounds most dynamic, and extremely similar to MLC for Nebula, which is my favorite out of all of the options I tried.

I also love that Satson doesn't come with three or more different console choices and is just one focused option. Anyway, those are my 2cents after using it for quite some time. Don't be fooled by the price, this is a great full scale console emulation that gets right the point!

Yeah, I would say it's the most subtle of all the console emus. I LOVE those hi/lowpass filters, so clean. I use them, and its metering, even if I'm using another emu (RC-Tube)!