Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[mixyguy2]

Love is the Answer to everything.

lol

OK John Lennon

[DrGonzo]

Too much AI everywhere. It's also being pushed by force. People didn't even ask for it. I think people will eventually reach a saturation point and will want to return to their roots. I know I want to. Prefer human flaws anytime.

You're probably spitting into the wind, but preach it brother.

I start to see the same trend, especially on Youtube. The saturation of the 100% AI generated channels with AI content and AI voice overs have now reached a level of absurdity and are getting nowhere near the levels of views they got one year ago.

Same the goes for production values - back in November I was listening to an analyst who predicted that flaws, mistakes, personal quirks will be coming back in style - and big well designed sets are going to somewhat fall out of fashion.

Probably the same will happen with music production as well.

/C

[mixyguy2]

Yeah YT is where I go for the truth

lol

[mixyguy2]

Its fun watching kids argue about stuff they know nothing about

Not half as much fun as watching some loser try to feel better about himself by making a snotty post on a thread that does nothing more than put down others. Makes it easy to feel better about one's self even on the worst of days, as you can go "well...at least I'm not him"

[VitaminD]

I think that's partly why Komplete got so bloated over the years. It's the consumer approach to sales. More for Less is seen as better. Even if you have no interest in much of the package, you're getting a bargain because look at how many products are included at a low low price!

Except it wasn't/isn't really 'bloated" for the most part. There's a lot of good stuff in Komplete, often surprisingly good. How good and whether it's worth the money is obviously subjective, but that's a faulty assumption made by many IMO (and I admit I did it too): "'there's so much in there, it can't be any good, they're just going for quantity over quality..." Not

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The way I see it instead of launching vsti updates, NI started bundling more Kontakt and Reaktor based 'instruments'.

Today, how many A-B style sample collections wrapped as a unique instruments does Komplete Standard come with? I think its close to two dozen. It's not a bunch of unique instruments. It's just different sample collections under the guise as unique instruments.

Instead of giving us FM9 or Absynth6 all these years, they took the easier route of just more sample slop imo. Poor Massive (non X) didn't even get many updates over the years. They just let it languish (outside of scalable GUI which WAS welcome!). Well until they tried to sell X as the modernized one. I prefer the original over X anyways. I just wish it had updated effects and filters.

Then there is Battery 4 which could use an overhaul. But I think they didn't because they'd rather people use Maschine instead. So many established products they let rot..

[bermudagold]

One major aspect of Kontakt that attracts musicians is that it has a general instruments library, although it is pretty outdated by today's standards. Most musicians aren't going to build their own instruments, even using what looks to be Koda's very accessible and excellent editor compared to Kontakt's severely lacking editor, which is a pain to use. I think to really pull in a lot of musicians the Koda team, a partner, or a third party will need to offer up a well done general library. Koda will otherwise still likely be put to good use by instrument developers, end users of those one-off instruments, and by hobbyist who want to build their own instruments. But a well done general instrument library is a bigger attraction for musicians than a well done empty sampler. Most musicians just want instruments, not a new hobby of building their own.

again...where is the evidence of this?...structure, independence, goliath, muse all exist...they come with 30-70gb of instruments...as much or more than kontakt...none of them are popular now nor have ever been on kvr...sampletank has 250gb of instruments and it only started moving when ikm started blowing it out for dirt cheap in sales and group buys...and based on reviews of all those people that got it, its still not popular...you can even get a sampler for free with 16gb of instruments in UAD shape...and its not popular on kvr or the internets

that's why all the fuss is bizarre...cause kvr dominant demographic are not samplists and aint building instruments anyway...they are just gonna use samplers as players for libraries anyway...so what difference does it make whether it's kontakt or any of the many formidable and suitable alternatives

[VitaminD]

Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

One major aspect of Kontakt that attracts musicians is that it has a general instruments library, although it is pretty outdated by today's standards. Most musicians aren't going to build their own instruments, even using what looks to be Koda's very accessible and excellent editor compared to Kontakt's severely lacking editor, which is a pain to use. I think to really pull in a lot of musicians the Koda team, a partner, or a third party will need to offer up a well done general library. Koda will otherwise still likely be put to good use by instrument developers, end users of those one-off instruments, and by hobbyist who want to build their own instruments. But a well done general instrument library is a bigger attraction for musicians than a well done empty sampler. Most musicians just want instruments, not a new hobby of building their own.

Yes indeed! I agree completely.

I remember when I first got to know Kontakt (14 or 15 years ago?), I was excited to get that sample library. It doesn't sound great to me now but the updated 2.0 library is alright.

I also hope Koda does come with a quality library and isn't just a shell to sell to developers.

[glokraw]

If Apple does buy it, they shouldn't be idiots this time and keep a Windows version going. They should have done that with Camel, but all they had at that point was Garageband. But now, they are flush with cash, so....

Well the point is to make highly desired software unique to their platform. If you want it, you must buy their hardware and work within their ecosystem. If they offered Windows versions, it would completely destroy their corporate plan.

That determination would require accurate accounting. If the accounting would show that three thousand windows Alchemy sales would happen, but only 73 people chose not to buy a Mac just to run a few mac-only titles, then it's just a math problem. But if the accounting shows much greater profits from also having windows versions, it becomes a corporate pride problem. 'We have many stacks of cash, screw bigger stacks, screw microsoft etc

[VitaminD]

If Apple does buy it, they shouldn't be idiots this time and keep a Windows version going. They should have done that with Camel, but all they had at that point was Garageband. But now, they are flush with cash, so....

Well the point is to make highly desired software unique to their platform. If you want it, you must buy their hardware and work within their ecosystem. If they offered Windows versions, it would completely destroy their corporate plan.

That determination would require accurate accounting. If the accounting would show that three thousand windows Alchemy sales would happen, but only 73 people chose not to buy a Mac just to run a few mac-only titles, then it's just a math problem. But if the accounting shows much greater profits from also having windows versions, it becomes a corporate pride problem. 'We have many stacks of cash, screw bigger stacks, screw microsoft etc

I think they're more satisfied with having a Mac-centric suite of audio software. Only the services (iCloud, Apple TV, iTunes) have Windows executables.

Apple has long been a walled garden, a hardware company that charges a premium and entices with a premium software suite to suit what they consider a premium experience. Especially towards Creatives. I just don't see them bothering with number crunching to sell those applications to Windows based users. Windows, in their mind, is the marketshare enemy.

[machinesworking]

I think they're more satisfied with having a Mac-centric suite of audio software. Only the services (iCloud, Apple TV, iTunes) have Windows executables.

Apple has long been a walled garden, a hardware company that charges a premium and entices with a premium software suite to suit what they consider a premium experience. Especially towards Creatives. I just don't see them bothering with number crunching to sell those applications to Windows based users. Windows, in their mind, is the marketshare enemy.

It's more like stick to your lane. Apple is very good at creating a mostly walled garden with devices that are set up to work etc. but attempting to compete with Windows developers on Windows, sounds lie a recipe for shenanigans.

[El°HYM]

Yeah YT is where I go for the truth

lol

You obviously didnt even watch that video, or just dont have the ability to comprehend its given information.

[El°HYM]

Love is the Answer to everything.

lol

OK John Lennon

Welcome to my foes - list btw.

LOL

[Gamma-UT]

Yeah YT is where I go for the truth

lol

You obviously didnt even watch that video, or just dont have the ability to comprehend its given information.

Did you? Do let us know how his rant about the price of tomatoes has something to do with NI.

You'd get more value of crapping in your hand than watching one of this guy's videos. This is the one who touted his own compressor claiming all the others are a scam.

[El°HYM]

Please do not tell me what to do, thank you. This dude is a real Gentleman and reliable part of the Brotherhood.

[Lazarus451]

Usually, people complaining about the taxes just don’t understand how society works. I can read an economics paper; I don’t need some artists’ opinions. But anyways, this is the only thing I’m going to say about that subject matter.