Berlin Modular (ancient thread)

[glokraw]

but I'm using it in linux.

Works in Linux?? NICE! What about Zebra in Linux? and FL9?


I'd love to go to using Linux more I have a good book on Fedora but I don't use it much because all my music and web design software is windows and Mac only

For Music on linux ... Forget Redhat.. umm, excuse me Fedeora. You should check out Ubuntu Studio, http://ubuntustudio.org It's Has a realtime linux kernel, so you'll have lower latency. glokraw... What's the best VST wrapper for linux anyway ? ...or are you using wine?


Rasaban
I luv ACE

I use wine, wineasio, and Reaper. Rarely a plugin has something reaper balks at, so I
then use Cantabile. I have also used MULAB, so I have more options. Quite different than Reaper, but some useful concepts. So far, the linux native vst wrappers are
very limited, and not especially stable over a range of popular vsts, compared to Reaper. The windows version of Energy XT also is a good host option.

Well programmed instruments lacking dongles, ilok, or pace, work very well,
so a little bump for Bazille and friends

(a little secret, some Ubuntu Studio folks actually use Fedora with the CCRMA audio repository, for their main production systems Its RT kernel is usually a cut above the rest, maintained by the tireless and talented
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano.

https://ccrma.stanford.edu/

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

[jhuk]

Hello Urs,

I'm enjoying tooling around with Bazille 03. I've a background in modular hardware and this is a great software transition. The first patch-cord PD synth too? Is there any chance of using PD with an expanded set of waveforms though?
I keep coming across the same kind of SAW/SIN/PULSE/RES derivatives that were implemented back in the 80's. Ok it's a factor of the PD method (as far as I understand it) that these basic waves lend themselves to PD implementation readily, but with the processing power available 25 years on from the CZ101, isn't something a little more varied, exotic (and interesting!) possible?

Cheers,
JHUK

[jhuk]

Hello again Urs,

I've just read about your bereavement. In light of this, please feel free to ignore my last post questioning PD waveforms. Sorry to have bothered you. Take all the time out you need.

Best Regards and Sympathies.

JHUK

[Urs]

JHUK,

No worries, I'm back to work

I've actually about of more PD waveforms, but as with everything it isn't all that easy. In order to calculate 4 oscillators in parallel with 5 common waveforms and 3 resonance ones I had to boil all waveforms down to a single formula. That's already quite complex so anything new would have to somehow fit into that scheme (the chips on the Casio synths do something similar).

The Casio ones had 3 additional "ghost waves" which could only be enabled by some tricks (Sysex or something). These however look and sound merely like accidents. My own CZ-1000 went missing long time ago, I'm not sure I'll ever have it around.

There's a good chance however for some extra waveforms though, which maybe wouldn't fade bewteen sine <-> wave. I think I could add stuff like PWM and Peak <-> Saw or such things with the current system. The sweeps would then of course sound fundamentally different from other PD waves. No promises though, but we'll see...

Cheers,

Urs

[[Solstice]]

I didn't read the 37 pages yet but I have an ask :
Why ADSR envelopes rather than 8 stages one as the Casio CZ range synths ?

[Urs]

I didn't read the 37 pages yet but I have an ask :
Why ADSR envelopes rather than 8 stages one as the Casio CZ range synths ?

That's because Bazille will be part of a modular system which conceptually lends itself to current analogue systems. Specifically, all signals are evaluated at audio rate and all "analogue" modules are built using analogue models. Hence envelopes do the ADSR-thing.

So in that sense, Bazille isn't a faithful recreation of the CZ-synths. The phase distortion algorithm itself is however as close to CZ as it gets (I carefully read the recently expired patent), with the difference that massive oversampling makes Bazille sound less aliased than e.g. the CZ-101. However, having fond memories of my early days with a CZ-1000, I don't think I've ever used the 8-stage envelopes as much, except for maybe some echo effects and stuff.

On the positive side you also get FM/PM, you can combine 2 reso waves, and you have that über-reso with the Fractional Resonance (does the same thing as the 3 original resonance modes, but uses the resulting waveform itself instead of a sine wave). In regards of audio rate modulation, you can even use an oscillator signal to control the PD amount of another. It's vicious

Oh, yet another positive thing is that the envelopes are snappy-as-hell. Which the Casio ones weren't exactly

Cheers,

Urs

P.S.: If there's any demand for that I'll happily make a "small" PD synth.

[[Solstice]]

I didn't read the 37 pages yet but I have an ask :
Why ADSR envelopes rather than 8 stages one as the Casio CZ range synths ?

That's because Bazille will be part of a modular system which conceptually lends itself to current analogue systems. Specifically, all signals are evaluated at audio rate and all "analogue" modules are built using analogue models. Hence envelopes do the ADSR-thing.

So in that sense, Bazille isn't a faithful recreation of the CZ-synths. The phase distortion algorithm itself is however as close to CZ as it gets (I carefully read the recently expired patent), with the difference that massive oversampling makes Bazille sound less aliased than e.g. the CZ-101. However, having fond memories of my early days with a CZ-1000, I don't think I've ever used the 8-stage envelopes as much, except for maybe some echo effects and stuff.

On the positive side you also get FM/PM, you can combine 2 reso waves, and you have that über-reso with the Fractional Resonance (does the same thing as the 3 original resonance modes, but uses the resulting waveform itself instead of a sine wave). In regards of audio rate modulation, you can even use an oscillator signal to control the PD amount of another. It's vicious

Oh, yet another positive thing is that the envelopes are snappy-as-hell. Which the Casio ones weren't exactly

Cheers,

Urs

P.S.: If there's any demand for that I'll happily make a "small" PD synth.

Very interesting ! A PD Synth like the Casio CZ range of synth (with the same waveforms, hidden and new waveforms + 8 stages envelopes for DCO, DCW and DCA) would be very nice !

[Urs]

Very interesting ! A PD Synth like the Casio CZ range of synth (with the same waveforms, hidden and new waveforms + 8 stages envelopes for DCO, DCW and DCA) would be very nice !

Nice links! I'd seen the hidden one but I hadn't seen the in-depth analysis.

I'm still a bit skeptical about the waveforms that definately alias like hell. E.g. using the sine sync without a window is rather naive and sounds horrible IMHO.

I'll think about it. Depends on how the next couple of weeks pan out.

Cheers,

Urs

[JoeKabuke]

Hi,

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but I'm wondering if the LFO's and Sequencer are usable in this version of Bazille? If so, I can't figure out for the life of me how to wire them

Thanks

[xh3rv]

Hi,

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but I'm wondering if the LFO's and Sequencer are usable in this version of Bazille? If so, I can't figure out for the life of me how to wire them

Thanks

With the LFOs there's a knob next to 'amp mod' that you can turn to zero.

It's a little tricky, this means that the amp mod source doesn't affect the amplitude at all. The default is this knob is at full, and modwheel is the amp source, which means the modwheel completely modulates the LFO amplitude. So there's no signal if the modwheel is at zero.

Not so sure about the sequencer - have you looked at any presets? One of them probably uses it.

[JoeKabuke]

Yup that did the trick, thank you!
Yeah I'll have to take a look at the presets, but first I'll have to figure out why they don't show up. I'm on Mac OS. I read something about them being in the wrong directory..

[Donner]

Yes Urs, it would be great if you could make a small PD-synth.

[Urs]

Hmmm, would a small PD-Synth have to be exactly like a CZ? - I'm not sure if I can get my CZ-1000 back even if I find the guy who has him. Thus I couldn't scale all parameters like the real thing (apart from the fact that I wouldn't be motivated to do so).

So if I whip something up I'd rather use the parts I already have, e.g. MSEGs for envelopes, free modulation routing to DCO/DCW/DCA and maybe a filter.

What else is needed?

Nevertheless, I'm deep into a lot of things currently. Can't say yet when...

Urs

[Donner]

For me, it is fine if you make a PD-synth with the parts you already have at your disposal - reusing your existing code makes sense.
In my opinion there is absolutely no need to emulate old Casio CZ's, a fresh take on PD would be better.

A filter (LP/HP/BP perhaps) would be very useful.

I own Zebra 2.5, Ace and Uhbik, by the way, and they are marvelous; it is a joy to make music with these instruments (yes, I consider Uhbik to be a instrument).

[jupiter8]

In my opinion either you do a full on emulation or do nothing at all. From what i've read people would only be satisfied with a full emulation as all the others fall short for some reason,most common complaint is the envelopes. Even if one were to do a full emu i expect many would still complain due to rose tinted memories of their first synth and how awesome it was and how the emu is nothing like it even if it is dead on. If you don't do a full emulation one might as well just get Bazille. An emulation fits poorly in the U-He line up in my opinion.But then again i have a pretty bleak outlook about the world we live in and life in general.