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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:09 pm

drzhnn wrote:So first you'll need to create a 143x30 px PNG file

Doesn't have to be those dimensions, at all. Mine is 24x24.

There's also no need to have two PNGs for the same X used on osc and MSEG panes... I have just the one used there.

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:15 pm

Yeah, min is 18x18 as well. I have fixed the difference in brightness now by reducing the transparency of one of the images.

Now for the big question: (learning new stuff as I go along here each time for which I am very grateful)

What is the code pertaining to the modulation pane on the left side of the interface?

I don't mind Zebra being quite tall, but I would like to reduce it's width by placing the side panel from the side to the bottom.

So from this:

To something like this (horrible mock up I know

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:24 pm

Yeah that might be way too tall. O.o;

drzhnn · Post by **drzhnn** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:18 pm

LFO8 wrote:I don't mind Zebra being quite tall, but I would like to reduce it's width by placing the side panel from the side to the bottom.

This would need a lot of editing. Not only would you need to move left panel elements to the bottom, but also you'd have to move all other stuff to the left. Maybe it's even easier to integrate that bottom panel to the first generation Redux.

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:26 pm

I was afraid that might be the case. I gave it a shot with the built in editor but that seems to go to shambles when dealing with the Redux skin.

Anyway, a few adjustments. Complete personal preference of course:

- Larger panel; with a synth like Zebra I like to see as much modules at once as possible and I'm not working off a laptopscreen.

- I like to be able to spot what modules are what as fast as possible. Colouring works (like with the UDH skin) but I liked the easy, minimal looking sleekness of the original grey modules. So I made a compromise; naming all the modules that had the appropriate space for it and for the ones that didn't have that space I used the colour background from the UDH skin.

- Larger browsing area for presets, file browsers and patch info pane.

- Performance view now covers the whole page without seeing anything else from Zebra at the back of the panels.

- OSC & MSEG view have a close down button at the top of the panel and, like performance view, these views cover zebra entirely. Thinking of laying out OSC 1-4 and MSEG 1-4 vertically on that page seeing as now there is space for that.

PICS:

I can't say it enough drzhnn; You've done such an amazing job on this skin and have been (and still are) so helpful in getting every one to individualise their own version exactly how they like it!

Now that I am selling my Virus TI I will be leaning on Zebra much more once again. Some don't find the looks of an instrument is that important. But for me it is. I find good workflow as well as pleasing ascetics greatly influence the pleasure I get from working with an instrument as well as how likely I am to reach for it in my toolbox.

drzhnn · Post by **drzhnn** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:14 pm

Looks cool

LFO8 wrote:Now that I am selling my Virus TI I will be leaning on Zebra much more once again.

Haha. I sold my Virus C several years ago and bought Zebra. Never looked back since

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:24 pm

Yeah, with Diva, Zebra and Omnisphere I feel my bases are more then covered. The TI does sound very very nice, but with Zebra's results can be too similar to justify keeping the expensive TI (also only one instance at a time and only 3 USB stereo outputs).

Diva and Omnisphere also have their own distinct character. With the TI thrown in there I just felt overwhelmed really. Too much to choose from. It was going to end up that either the TI or Zebra were going to be totally neglected.

Mr D · Post by **Mr D** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:24 am

Thanks a lot, this skin is amazing!

I think the graphics style you've chosen is a big improvement over the original skin......U-he, give this man a job!

Bigger MSEG envelope window =

My main suggestion for further improvement would be: make the interface less cluttered with stuff if the stuff isn't being used! If i select the "Initialize" preset, why do i see the EQ and the arpeggiator? I only want to see what is being used. If i'm not using the XY, i don't want to see it. And even if stuff is being used, i don't want to see it all the time. That is the advantage of the original interface, for example you didn't need to look at the arpeggiator arpeggiating away all the time.

I'd also like to say we need labels for all modules and also each module should be highlighted when you select it in the matrix.

Of course what's great is one can easily switch between the two interfaces. So i think i'll stick to the original when building a patch and use Redux for specific things like the MSEG view.

Cheers! ................ Mr D

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:20 am

Mr D wrote:If i select the "Initialize" preset, why do i see the EQ and the arpeggiator?

Because that's how Zebra seems to work internally. Effects cannot be completely hidden, one is always displayed. Ditto arp, XY, etc.

Mr D · Post by **Mr D** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:42 pm

Yes, but when one is editing a normal skin Zebra patch (osc, envelopes, MSEG, modulation etc.), you see neither the Apr nor the XY, unless you go to the respective page. That's why i consider this skin to be more cluttered then the orig!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:44 pm

That's because the default skin works in a completely different way (things are tabbed far too much, which IMHO slows down workflow).

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:42 am

Mr D wrote:Yes, but when one is editing a normal skin Zebra patch (osc, envelopes, MSEG, modulation etc.), you see neither the Apr nor the XY, unless you go to the respective page. That's why i consider this skin to be more cluttered then the orig!

Like ED pointed out; they are still there in the original skin. At all times it takes up the bottom section of the whole skin in 10 tabs no less.

Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:49 am

Mr D wrote: And even if stuff is being used, i don't want to see it all the time.

In my opinion, the main usability benefit of using the Redux interface is precisely the way it shows more modules in the same view. I believe (or at least, hope) this design principle isn't going to be changed. If anything, I'd like it to show even more, but the current design strikes a very good balance. Much better workflow this way, like has been pointed out. So, my strongest possible -1 for this one

Mr D · Post by **Mr D** » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:22 pm

Hi guys,

And i right in thinking the way the MSEG curves overlay each other isn't working right in Redux?

So, when i draw an MSEG1 curve i see it in the background of MSEG2, but not vica versa?

Mr.D

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:12 am

LFO8 wrote:Now that I am selling my Virus TI I will be leaning on Zebra much more once again. Some don't find the looks of an instrument is that important. But for me it is. I find good workflow as well as pleasing ascetics greatly influence the pleasure I get from working with an instrument as well as how likely I am to reach for it in my toolbox.

Same here. I love this thread

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