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[musicman_c]

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[agharta]

Now I received my SD card and have a measure. 4-5 times faster than your SD-card.
Mine is Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60:

You have to show the random read speed as well to get the full picture.
If you are loading a Kontakt instrument that consists of tens or hundreds of samples for example, the random speed is the relevant one.

[Hans25]

Now I received my SD card and have a measure. 4-5 times faster than your SD-card.
Mine is Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60:

You have to show the random read speed as well to get the full picture.
If you are loading a Kontakt instrument that consists of tens or hundreds of samples for example, the random speed is the relevant one.

Ok. How should I measure that in a reliable way?

Anyway my point was also just to show that you have to test cards where speed is a very important factor. They are of course more expensive. And you also have to do it on a computer with decent speed and a good sd card reader.

Obviously external ssd drives that are 100 x larger in size are faster. They have more space to put the necessary hardware in. But they are not as portable as a sd drive. You cant get a more portable format than using an sd or micro sd card in a laptop. If thats important then you have to sacrifice speed. If that makes your import of samples impossible because of large loading times then you should of course avoid it. But if it works there is a little longer wait time but portability cant be better.

[agharta]

Now I received my SD card and have a measure. 4-5 times faster than your SD-card.
Mine is Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60:

You have to show the random read speed as well to get the full picture.
If you are loading a Kontakt instrument that consists of tens or hundreds of samples for example, the random speed is the relevant one.

Ok. How should I measure that in a reliable way?

The tool you used should offer it, as does this one:
https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskMark

Random 4K Q1T1 is the baseline for random reads and the most important for Kontakt according to Kontakt developers.
If you are opening a single file, then sequential speed is the most important.

[jbraner]

if you click the little red icon next to the thread title, it'll take you automatically to the new unread posts.

I've been on KVR for many years now - and I never knew this!
Thanks!

[Hans25]

Now I received my SD card and have a measure. 4-5 times faster than your SD-card.
Mine is Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60:

You have to show the random read speed as well to get the full picture.
If you are loading a Kontakt instrument that consists of tens or hundreds of samples for example, the random speed is the relevant one.

Ok. How should I measure that in a reliable way?

The tool you used should offer it, as does this one:
https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskMark

Random 4K Q1T1 is the baseline for random reads and the most important for Kontakt according to Kontakt developers.
If you are opening a single file, then sequential speed is the most important.

Ok but remember that random access with many different samples will slow down any drive no matter what type. The bottle neck is always opening and closing a file. That's why copying large few files in windows typically is much faster than many small.

And then there are also different kinds of Kontakt instruments and some that don't load many different samples.

Also we have to compare to other external types of drives using the random measure 4k you talk about. This will substiantially slow down their measures.

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[Hans25]

Now I received my SD card and have a measure. 4-5 times faster than your SD-card.
Mine is Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60:

 

You have to show the random read speed as well to get the full picture.
If you are loading a Kontakt instrument that consists of tens or hundreds of samples for example, the random speed is the relevant one.

 

Well I tried both utilities now and the seem not to give the exact same results. I have compared the Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60 1TB to the Samsung T5 1TB by usb 3 connection.
Overall Kingston is slower as expected except for writing on of the 4K and the acceleration for writing.

In the other one Kingston is slower in general except one of the random writing where it's faster.
I doesn't seem that these utilities are so reliable when the numbers are so different.

Anyway what this means in practice of waiting time when loading libraries i have to investigate.

Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60 1TB

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Samsung T5 1TB

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Kingston Canvas React Plus SDXC UHS-II V60 1TB

SpeedSDCardFullSpecs2.jpg

Samsung T5 1TB

SpeedSamsungExtUsb2.jpg

[Examigan]

ok i'll look at that, cheers for the tip

If you own any steinberg software already, you may find an additional discount code in your steinberg account.

Thanks, there's nothing for me although i can upgrade to Wavelab from Elements 11.2

Nothing additional for me having the latest Absolute already.

[Gavincoolguy]

The problem with SD cards is they corrupt extremely fast if you don't run them in an immutable state i.e. write protected. Power outages and blue screen of death eat SD's for breakfast. An SD that only contains samples is a pretty decent way to use them but I would def disable writes after I had it loaded. There are industrial style SD's that are less prone to corrupt but no guarantee. Anyone that has run a PI computer knows exactly what I'm talking about.

[Hans25]

The problem with SD cards is they corrupt extremely fast if you don't run them in an immutable state i.e. write protected. Power outages and blue screen of death eat SD's for breakfast. An SD that only contains samples is a pretty decent way to use them but I would def disable writes after I had it loaded. There are industrial style SD's that are less prone to corrupt but no guarantee. Anyone that has run a PI computer knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not denying that SD may be prone to faster wear but it also depends on brand and quality as you state yourself. A state of the art card that costs 10-100x as much as the cheapest or are made of better quality than the cheapest one that you get for free or buy for $2. If the quality ones were prone to failing quickly photographers wouldn't buy them.

Of course if you install an operating system like Windows on a SD-card there's obviously reading and writing non stop since it's an operation system that controls the hardware and software all the time and that's not recommendable. Especially for cheap cards. But I don't believe you can compare Rasberry Pi consumer 16-32GB cards to professional SD cards.

[pekbro]

This is still available on intro, it's pretty cool, just saying...

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[wayford]

Komplete 15 including Kontakt 8 - Pre-order available now.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/s ... mplete-15/

In the meantime, can someone explain what Kontakt is becoming? Chord tool, phrases tool...Do they also eventually plan on making it a full on synth? It says Kontakt 8 will introduce Conflux "a new hybrid instrument using enhanced wavetable features." Genuinely curious.

[ChamomileShark]

In the meantime, can someone explain what Kontakt is becoming? Chord tool, phrases tool...Do they also eventually plan on making it a full on synth? It says Kontakt 8 will introduce Conflux "a new hybrid instrument using enhanced wavetable features." Genuinely curious.

It sounds as if they are heading into UVI Falcon territory but there's an awful long way to go I think.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Another meh Komplete release. Good, money stays in wallet.