Indeed, and this is why I also tend to wade into these threads, because I do find it interesting, and to try to "correct" (where possible) some of these weird things where people post how they think the world should work as fact, rather than the way it *actually* does...ghettosynth wrote:Well, you can think whatever you like, but you'd be wrong. There is so much misunderstanding of copyright among musicians, aren't you guys interested in this stuff?
Exactly. Nobody Roland was targetting with the D50.Numanoid wrote:Churches, theathers, hobbyists and schools I guessAnX wrote:Who's going to buy something you cant use on a record?
How has PNS managed to sell Deepflight without breaching any copyright? It has been sold for years now:beely wrote:Indeed, and this is why I also tend to wade into these threads, because I do find it interesting, and to try to "correct" (where possible) some of these weird things where people post how they think the world should work as fact, rather than the way it *actually* does...ghettosynth wrote:Well, you can think whatever you like, but you'd be wrong. There is so much misunderstanding of copyright among musicians, aren't you guys interested in this stuff?
Probably because they didn't recreate the internal structure of the synth. Still, I think it's interesting that Roland let it go but prevented others of sampling their D-50. Nice find!Numanoid wrote:How has PNS managed to sell Deepflight without breaching any copyright? It has been sold for years now:beely wrote:Indeed, and this is why I also tend to wade into these threads, because I do find it interesting, and to try to "correct" (where possible) some of these weird things where people post how they think the world should work as fact, rather than the way it *actually* does...ghettosynth wrote:Well, you can think whatever you like, but you'd be wrong. There is so much misunderstanding of copyright among musicians, aren't you guys interested in this stuff?
http://www.kontaktbanks.com/kb_deepflight.html
"Deepflight is a Kontakt library based on the best sounds of the legendary Roland D-50 synthesizer."
One of my fav Kontakt libsSampleScience wrote:Probably because they didn't recreate the internal structure of the synth. Still, I think it's interesting that Roland let it go but prevented others of sampling their D-50. Nice find!
The closest so far is the VC1 V-cardTeksonik wrote:Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).
From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.Numanoid wrote:How has PNS managed to sell Deepflight without breaching any copyright?
But from what you see on the BeatSkillz KZ page you determine that it is made from D-50 presets ?beely wrote:From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.
Yes I am aware of that card. It would probably be cheaper to buy a used original D-50 which I have come close to doing over the years.Numanoid wrote:The closest so far is the VC1 V-cardTeksonik wrote:Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-vc1-v-card
Instead of a dongle you need a V-Synth
It is even resold by Propellerheads, so it is kind of weird if Roland/Big Eric shoot down a small time dev like Binarymusic's LA50, why not take down the bigger fish too?beely wrote:And/or it's possible that Roland don't know about it, or deemed it not worth bothering with.
I wasn't commenting on the BeatSkillz page, I was commenting on the other one that was posted above ("Deepflight").Numanoid wrote:But from what you see on the BeatSkillz KZ page you determine that it is made from D-50 presets?beely wrote:From what I can see, that library doesn't sample the D-50 presets - it may be that the bulk of it's sounds are samples of patches made using the VA engine, or at least PCM samples that aren't that recognisable.
I think you do! (As well as reading my posts before trying to argue against them!)Numanoid wrote:I think you need stronger arguments in both regards.
But the OP started this thread to talk about BeatSkillz KZbeely wrote:I don't know anything about the BeatSkillz one, and haven't commented on it at all.
"Deepflight was created from sounds that were custom developed for the Roland D50. Now, there seems to be some conventional wisdom floating around that if you try to sell anything sampled from the D50, you can expect to hear from some lawyers of Roland or Eric Persing (principal sound developer for the D50) commanding you to cease and desist. I asked Andras Haasz about this and he said that this has never been a problem. He has not sampled the factory patches but rather created his own presets. We can all hope that doing it this way is sufficient protection from unwarranted legal wrangling."AnX wrote:Its not clear what exactly they sampled...DeepFlight is based on 1GB sound samples of the famous Roland D-50 synth from the late 80's.
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