The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge

[pschelfh]

4 OSC's : 1 standard pitch + 2 heavily detuned in the same octave as the first OSC + 1 Noise OSC.

So, no octaved (down) OSC? Interesting.
Thanks.

Now that you mention it, I thought the 3rd OSC in slave mode was the SubOSC tuned to the same octave as the other OSC's, but it seems to be elsewhere, Virus has 3 OSC's + a SubOSC. I'll have to take another look, I'm not used to the software interface yet.

Peter.

[hifiboom]

urs,

v3 has some fuzzy distortion in the upper range.
v2 is a bit cleaner and softer

[spaceman]

could someone post more details about the original preset?

That'd at least be interesting. So far, I don't even know how many OSCs were used and what their tuning was like (or has this information been posted?). At a rough guess I'd say two "main" OSCs with a certain amount of detune (using whatever saw-waveform there is) and an additional OSC an octave down, more or less slightly mixed in. And oh well, Urs already mentioned the noise.

FFS, what am I doing in this thread?

debunking the idea you need a big shiny metal box to make certain sounds

[spaceman]

4 OSC's : 1 standard pitch + 2 heavily detuned in the same octave as the first OSC + 1 Noise OSC.

So, no octaved (down) OSC? Interesting.
Thanks.

Now that you mention it, I thought the 3rd OSC in slave mode was the SubOSC tuned to the same octave as the other OSC's, but it seems to be elsewhere, Virus has 3 OSC's + a SubOSC. I'll have to take another look, I'm not used to the software interface yet.

Peter.

so is it 2 normal + one noise + one sub?

[pschelfh]

so is it 2 normal + one noise + one sub?

Nope, it's 3 normal (the third can be slaved to the second, that's why I was confused) + one noise + one sub.

For the preset, I'm shure about the 3 OSC's + noise. I'll have to take another look if the sub is also used though.

Peter.

[kuniklo]

So if I ever wanted to create a simpler va-style synth (apart from the Filterscape concept), it probably has to be a sweet spot monster.

Yes please.

[spaceman]

so is it 2 normal + one noise + one sub?

Nope, it's 3 normal (the third can be slaved to the second, that's why I was confused) + one noise + one sub.

For the preset, I'm shure about the 3 OSC's + noise. I'll have to take another look if the sub is also used though.

Peter.

ge zijt vried bedankt en vanalles en nog wa

(one is 'sure' btw, not 'shure' )

[Howard]

Mmmh, that's actualy mixing between the 2 filters.Can you do the same in Zebra with a ChannelMixer ?

Yeah. Check out the preset I included with my attempt - it roughly approximates the virus's architecture...

When trying to work out how Virus FILT BALANCE works, I made this image:



Hope it helps...although I can't quite remember exactly how to interpret it!!

[Howard]

urs, v3 has some fuzzy distortion in the upper range.
v2 is a bit cleaner and softer

That's the Noise module, not distortion. But I agree, v2 is slightly softer (to my old ears)

[Urs]

urs, v3 has some fuzzy distortion in the upper range.
v2 is a bit cleaner and softer

That's the Noise module, not distortion. But I agree, v2 is slightly softer (to my old ears)

Yes...

I guess I confused something here... I thought the throughput of the filter was because of KeyFollow... but maybe that's just because it's a 12dB filter?

I probably added to much HiShelf in the EQ that way...?

[pschelfh]

Did some investigation :

The Virus preset uses 3 OSC + noise, but no sub OSC.

I did a 'polished' version (tweaks, reverb, levelling) of the Virus preset to match the mp3 demo but I still miss the 'sluring' notes that start after the phaser kicks in.

one is 'sure' btw, not 'shure'

OK : I am sure, I am not shure. Got it now !

Peter.

[hifiboom]

urs, v3 has some fuzzy distortion in the upper range.
v2 is a bit cleaner and softer

That's the Noise module, not distortion. But I agree, v2 is slightly softer (to my old ears)

Yes...

I guess I confused something here... I thought the throughput of the filter was because of KeyFollow... but maybe that's just because it's a 12dB filter?

I probably added to much HiShelf in the EQ that way...?

to me it sounds like something is clipping already...
maybe the boost already surpass the maximum headroom.

[mkastrup]

The version i did, Z2 Challenge 03 used 3 oscs + noise and i used Velocity to control the decay and MSEG for the filter sweep. The Sweep max climate is around 15 sec and the curve used was bending a bit upwards on the way up and on the way down. The start and end of the curve should result in a kinda pizzicato pluck sound.

This method was used for synth basses in the 80's

/Michael

[Tronam]

there is no special virus signature sound.

what people just seem to love is the hypersaw.
no more or less.

So playing few notes ends up in having a complete mix and so there is just need to paste that musicmaker loop to finish the master.

This is simply not true. The Virus has had a long and well established reputation way before the TI series, which wasn't introduced until late 2005. There was no such thing as "Supersaw or Hypersaw" in Virus a, b or c models, which go back to 1997.

The Supersaw was introduced and made famous by the Roland JP-80xx series of VAs, not the Virus.

[spaceman]

I think what's happening in that arp is that the amount of env to filter goes up together with the cutoff freq until the riff gets to the chord change, that's when the cutoff goes down again and the env to filter stays (roughly?) the same for some time.

I think the sweep down of the cutoff after the chord change might be accentuated with a bandpass around the same frequency (or maybe it's just just a really good sounding resonance or the second filter following it for a little while)