KVR Audio

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:15 pm

Ingonator wrote:
kokotte wrote:what about the modulation at audio rate (i have see that on the tone2 facebook)?
The 3 LFOs and the Step LFO could go up to 440 Hz. While this is not very high you could do some audio rate modulation (up to the limit of 440 Hz) of all available mod destinations that way. As Icarus includes tons of LFO shapes (more than just the standard ones) using the LFOs for audio rate modulation is not a big limitation (comapred to e.g. Saurus that has just a few LFO waveforms). Custom LFO shapes could be created usng the Step LFO (16 steps).

Interesting. If the LFOs go well into the audio rate, is there a way to sync them to notes? In other words, can I make my LFO (while per voice.. If that is possible) an octave below the frequency of a note that's playing and have it always track that way?

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:21 pm

zerocrossing wrote:Interesting. If the LFOs go well into the audio rate, is there a way to sync them to notes? In other words, can I make my LFO (while per voice.. If that is possible) an octave below the frequency of a note that's playing and have it always track that way?

With a limit of 440 Hz (A3), I can't see how that would be possible (unless you would not play anything above A4).

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:40 pm

you can double you sine/saw for go at 880 i you want, but with all the thing inside Icarus, i don't think i will utilise it, but the feedback....yes, the Mod matrix in tone2 product are really well made, Markus think useful, it's a kind of "hidden" tool-hiden env,lfo.... i never find anything compare to it in another synth ( i don't test all ), i think it's why his synth are reel clear and usable, great concept !

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:04 pm

kokotte wrote:you can double you sine/saw for go at 880!

What do you mean by double? Ingo told that it goes up to 440 Hz (which is already way higher than what is usual for na LFO). So, what is: 440 or 880? (which would still be just A4, so you would be confined to play only up to A5).

Anyway, I am talking blindly, since I know nothing about the synth. I'll wait until I put my hands on it to check everything. Mod matrix isn't exactly rocket science, BTW, and is with us since mid eighties (Oberheim Xpander was the first synth to feature a mod matrix).

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:29 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
kokotte wrote:what about the modulation at audio rate (i have see that on the tone2 facebook)?
The 3 LFOs and the Step LFO could go up to 440 Hz. While this is not very high you could do some audio rate modulation (up to the limit of 440 Hz) of all available mod destinations that way. As Icarus includes tons of LFO shapes (more than just the standard ones) using the LFOs for audio rate modulation is not a big limitation (comapred to e.g. Saurus that has just a few LFO waveforms). Custom LFO shapes could be created usng the Step LFO (16 steps).

Interesting. If the LFOs go well into the audio rate, is there a way to sync them to notes? In other words, can I make my LFO (while per voice.. If that is possible) an octave below the frequency of a note that's playing and have it always track that way?

The LFOs (and the Step LFO) got a bipolar keytracking knob like the filters. AFAIK such a dedicated knob was not included with other Tone2 synths so far. Anyway it seemed to be possible to route a "Key" mod source to LFO parameters like the Speed. That also seems to be what the dedicated knob in Icarus is used for.

LFOs that go up to 440 Hz were also included in other Tone2 synths like e.g. Nemesis, Electra 2.1 and Saurus 2.

Also the amount of LFO waveshapes (with an additional "Shape" knob to adjust them furher) seems to be bigger than in previous Tone2 synths.

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:46 pm

what i want to say, if in the additional shape you have a double saw(x the speed) i could go faster than the initial value,perhaps i'm wrong!)

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:13 pm

kokotte wrote:what i want to say, if in the additional shape you have a double saw(x the speed) i could go faster than the initial value,perhaps i'm wrong!)

The LFOs also got a "FM" mode/waveshape which in combination with the "Shape" knob creates different kinds of FM based waveforms. Even below audio rate (below 20 Hz) you could get interesting results with that. Changing that Shape knob seems to be comparable to increasing the FM amount of two Sines doing FM.

FWIW from the LFO parameters at the moment only the LFO Speeds seem to be available as mod destinations in the matrix while you could try to automate other parameters or use MIDI Learn. MIDI Learn is activated with right-click at the knob and moving your controller (the CC will be dislayed at the center of the knob then) and another right-click at that knob resets MIDI Learn.

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:32 pm

some fun modulation will be possible, yes !
great news

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:23 pm

kokotte wrote:what i want to say, if in the additional shape you have a double saw(x the speed) i could go faster than the initial value,perhaps i'm wrong!)

Again, I don't know the synth, but a double saw doesn't make sense. Technically, doubling the saw will still produce a saw, but at twice the base frequency (meaning an octave higher). Maybe I am missing something, but I see little use (or need) for such a feature. Unless Tone2 means something else other than this (like the infamous "Hypersaw", which is basically several stacked saws, slightly detuned).

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:06 pm

i was speaking about the lfo speed

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:25 pm

kokotte wrote:i was speaking about the lfo speed

LFO "speed" is its frequency, which, for what's being said, tops at 440 Hz. No matter what wave is selected, the frequency is independent from that. On a regular oscillator, the frequency (speed) is controlled by the keyboard (notes ON). On an LFO, usually the frequency is fixed, although it sometimes can be modulated (apparently, in this one it can receive some sort of keyboard tracking modulation).

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:05 am

fmr wrote:
kokotte wrote:i was speaking about the lfo speed
LFO "speed" is its frequency, which, for what's being said, tops at 440 Hz. No matter what wave is selected, the frequency is independent from that. On a regular oscillator, the frequency (speed) is controlled by the keyboard (notes ON). On an LFO, usually the frequency is fixed, although it sometimes can be modulated (apparently, in this one it can receive some sort of keyboard tracking modulation).

If the LFO waveform is 2 cycles of a saw wave, played at 440 Hz, it is equivalent to a saw wave played at 880 Hz.

Happy Frog · Post by **Happy Frog** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:38 am

Is their a release date on this. Tone2 seems to get me. They nailed both the sound and how I like to work with synths. And they have been kind too me.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:44 am

fmr wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:Interesting. If the LFOs go well into the audio rate, is there a way to sync them to notes? In other words, can I make my LFO (while per voice.. If that is possible) an octave below the frequency of a note that's playing and have it always track that way?
With a limit of 440 Hz (A3), I can't see how that would be possible (unless you would not play anything above A4).

Maybe a bit of math to put a cap on it but still keep the correct interval.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:34 pm

nineofkings wrote:
fmr wrote:
kokotte wrote:i was speaking about the lfo speed
LFO "speed" is its frequency, which, for what's being said, tops at 440 Hz. No matter what wave is selected, the frequency is independent from that. On a regular oscillator, the frequency (speed) is controlled by the keyboard (notes ON). On an LFO, usually the frequency is fixed, although it sometimes can be modulated (apparently, in this one it can receive some sort of keyboard tracking modulation).
If the LFO waveform is 2 cycles of a saw wave, played at 440 Hz, it is equivalent to a saw wave played at 880 Hz.

"IF" (but I doubt it's that - it would be too silly to put an option that's basically the same thing one octave higher). OTOH... who knows? Maybe I'm missing something.

Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer