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rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:07 am

Uhm, maybe I've mistaken the names. The wave editor, and those additions you've talked about earlier

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:15 am

rectus_dominus wrote:Uhm, maybe I've mistaken the names. The wave editor, and those additions you've talked about earlier

Ah yes, as soon as I'm done with fixing the EQ and the chorus I'll go ahead and finish the waveform editor features.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:56 am

kv331 wrote:About envelope behavior in Mono+Legato mode: Should we reset envelopes to the beginning of attack section if a note was previously playing and it was in sustain state?

I checked out some other synths and also SynthMaster 1.0. It looks like the envelope does not reset to the beginning if there was a note playing already when a new one was pressed. Will fix it asap tonight.

Bulent

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:09 am

Ah, I remember a serious problem now!
Changing switched parameters only apply to newly played notes. Like when I bash 4 notes then trying to change the filter type, nothing happens.

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:15 am

rectus_dominus wrote:Ah, I remember a serious problem now!
Changing switched parameters only apply to newly played notes. Like when I bash 4 notes then trying to change the filter type, nothing happens.

That's how it is designed. Some discrete parameters like filter type are only read when a new note is pressed.

It's a feature, not a bug

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:20 am

Whoa then make a switch to do it otherwise...
I always have to restart things when trying to adjust the second filter of a huge pad.

And enlighten me why it is designed that way, please.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:25 am

kv331 wrote:
kv331 wrote:About envelope behavior in Mono+Legato mode: Should we reset envelopes to the beginning of attack section if a note was previously playing and it was in sustain state?
I checked out some other synths and also SynthMaster 1.0. It looks like the envelope does not reset to the beginning if there was a note playing already when a new one was pressed. Will fix it asap tonight.

Bulent

Hi Bulent Sorry I was busy with the release of our NI Massive extension bank last days.

Well you're right, and I thought I described it rather precisely in the last posts.

In Mono/Legato : If a note was playing already, the new note plays from the Envellope point the previous note has reached (ie sustain if it was in sustain stage, but also Attack -in case of delayed attack- or Decay as well. Only the release stage can be ignored)

Same for n+1 notes, it the previous note was not released when they are hit

As opposed to "pure" Mono Mode : Enveloppe is reset to initial stage each time a new key is hit.

Well here are the limits of words to describe things.

A simple drawing would certainly have been more easy to understand.

LtZ

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:35 am

Thanks Laurent! I think I just didnt carefully read what you explained before, it's my bad

Anyhow will fix it tonight!

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:00 pm

rectus_dominus wrote:Synthmaster needs in-built EQ, compressor, proper chorus/reverb, ability to do different kinds of delay, distortion, and a master filter. And one important thing is: It needs to offer effect routing. It matters if I put that EQ in front of the Chorus or behind it...
Of course filling these requests take a lot of time and effort... :S

Why a master-filter? Easy-Control -> Controlling Filters of Layer 1 & 2 ^^ For such tasks they are made

build-in-EQ - bulent says some days ago he work on it

different kinds of delay? mhm perhaps with streo-split and low/high damp alà korg mdx(simple & small but extremly effectiv)

distortion - oh yes togehter with bitcrusher

reverb - the halls of the build in reverbs are really nice, but some more kinds would be good... plate, church, arena etc

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:15 pm

Why master filter? I like using a LP Filter1 and a BP/NP Filter2 for my ambientic pluck sounds. If I change either, it will sound crazy. Yeah you're right, it isn't that important for people other than me. But I just need it

The reverb is a kind of confusing for me. Those 2 high cut freqs?

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:04 am

rectus_dominus wrote:Why master filter? I like using a LP Filter1 and a BP/NP Filter2 for my ambientic pluck sounds. If I change either, it will sound crazy. Yeah you're right, it isn't that important for people other than me. But I just need it

The reverb is a kind of confusing for me. Those 2 high cut freqs?

The filterbank is for that purpose. You'll be able to see the filter response as well. Basicly it's a parametric EQ so to speak.

I'm currently rewriting the chorus, and hopefuly tonight I'll release it. BTW I am adding a new parameter for the Chorus: Stereo Width. With that parameter you'll be able to change the panning of the delayed signals, so basicly on the stereo panorama you'll have, from left to right:

left input left output right output right input

When Stereo Width is zero the outputs will be panned to the center. When it is max, they will be panned hard left/right.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 am

Ah, fine

I'm moving into my dorm tomorrow, so for some time I won't be around. I have to see if it's worth to take the PC with me there

kv331 · Post by **kv331** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:28 am

I'm done with the chorus implementation and hopefuly the new release is coming tonight.

Next, it's time to fix the filterbank, and maybe the Reverb:

The reverb algorithm is non-stantard as it has parameters like Width & Distance.

Based on the room size, width & distance, the early reflections are calculated using physical equations. So that's what makes the Reverb in SynthMaster non-standard.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:27 am

Hi Bulent,

Dont know if I'm alone, but I do have hard times to get a decent global volume for many instruments : The final volume is very low/weak.

Did anyone experienced the same problem ?

As we dont have headroom in the Oscillator, or Layer, or Global volume level the only turnarounds I found until now are :

1/ Using filter volume parameters, even when filter is not "active" ( but any drive only settings will affect the sound)

2/ Increase the number of unisson voices in the Layer page (although its not needed for the patch in se)

Possible solution : I think it might be far better if the global patch volume had some headroom available (something like 10db would be enough. ie like if the current global default level was actually 75% of the hoped future max level (ie the default volume would be the same than now, except the volume know will be somewhere between 50/75%, still preserving volume)

ANd second one : Seems that the second layer is not working in mono mode

Cheers,

Laurent

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:09 am

Lotuzia wrote:Hi Bulent,

Dont know if I'm alone, but I do have hard times to get a decent global volume for many instruments : The final volume is very low/weak.

Did anyone experienced the same problem ?

I experienced that problem too. If you turn filter drive to 0 the volume is very low, same for low cutoff frequencies.

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