[Repro-1] Public Beta

[aMUSEd]

I recreated the Yazoo (or Yaz if you're in US) classic 'Only You' using 10 instances of RePro-1. All sounds, with the exception of the 808 snare, comes from the RePro-1 synthesizer alone. There's a limiter on the Master Out with a subtle amount of tape saturation but no other effects are used. Some of the presets in the track will be submitted for inclusion in the factory content of the RePro-1. All credit to Pea Hicks for the midi.

https://soundcloud.com/luftrum-1/yazoo- ... by-luftrum

Always loved Yazoo and love these sounds! Hope you'll release these sounds, together with your own ideas, soon. Sure that would be another great sound set!

Yes please release 'Upstairs at Luftrum's'

[ghettosynth]

Great character to this synth, thank you!

When resonance is increased, the general volume decreases. I suppose this is authentic to the original, though I find it discourages me to modulate it. I would be happy to see an option to maintain more consistent volume.

Also +1 to micro tuning.

There are tricks to preserve overall gain when resonance kicks in, but they have side effects.

For now I just want to keep Repro close to the original.

Above is the original post.

I would prefer this to be an option in the settings, so that the user can choose to enable or disable this. This way, diehards can stay as close to the original as they want, but others can choose not to have this side-effect because this quirk is not a benefit.

Yes, agreed. Would love for there to be an option to minimize that behavior as some other softsynths have done. Having to constantly deal with gain compensation after adjusting the resonance level is the thing that's kept me from pulling the trigger on buying this one so far. It sounds fantastic, but the extreme amount of gain reduction with resonance (no matter how accurate to the original that is) is a bit of a buzzkill for me.

Hilarious.

[ghettosynth]

I recreated the Yazoo (or Yaz if you're in US) classic 'Only You' using 10 instances of RePro-1. All sounds, with the exception of the 808 snare, comes from the RePro-1 synthesizer alone. There's a limiter on the Master Out with a subtle amount of tape saturation but no other effects are used. Some of the presets in the track will be submitted for inclusion in the factory content of the RePro-1. All credit to Pea Hicks for the midi.

https://soundcloud.com/luftrum-1/yazoo- ... by-luftrum

Brilliant!!

Indeed.

[gravehill]

Awesome synth so bought!

I have to admit, though, that I'm not very happy with how $69 turns to €79.84. I understand the VAT but would prefer that the actual end prices would be shown instead.

[rootberg]

I have to admit, though, that I'm not very happy with how $69 turns to €79.84. I understand the VAT but would prefer that the actual end prices would be shown instead.

Exactly this.

[Stefken]

Awesome synth so bought!

I have to admit, though, that I'm not very happy with how $69 turns to €79.84. I understand the VAT but would prefer that the actual end prices would be shown instead.

+1 .
Great sound so still worth the price but would prefer actual end prices in the communication.

[lentferj]

Awesome synth so bought!

I have to admit, though, that I'm not very happy with how $69 turns to €79.84. I understand the VAT but would prefer that the actual end prices would be shown instead.

But VAT is only applicable for buyers in the EU and it even says € XX (+VAT) and in the end you get the total price (if you didn't figure it out for yourself before). I don't understand this discussion and the expectation what u-he should do different in this case.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Any chance of the master output becoming an option in the Mod matrix? Might be interesting to tie to the Output to velocity.

Hehe, sorry, we've deliberately left it out. There's too much potential for major fuckups.

Makes sense. Could be easy to blow ones monitors. I'll just stick to modulating the Sonic Conditioner gain.

[Stefken]

But VAT is only applicable for buyers in the EU and it even says € XX (+VAT) and in the end you get the total price (if you didn't figure it out for yourself before). I don't understand this discussion and the expectation what u-he should do different in this case.

To anwser your question:

Communication on U-he site :
If you like what you hear, you can purchase Repro-1 with a 30% introductory discount during the public beta period. The purchase link is also found in the forum post.

Link in forum:
If you can't wait and/or if you wish to take advantage of the intro offer, here's a link to buy Repro-1 from our shop: Buy Repro-1 for 69$ (final price will be 99$, once officially released).

So, nothing mentioned about VAT.
You click the link and 69 dollars turns out to be ~80 euro for EU customers.

in the end you get the total price

When you browse a shop, normally the price displayed is the price you pay. (Except when you're flying with Ryanair )

[acidsmiley]

Another point of view: you safe 30$

[aesthete]

Well done Soren.

I recreated the Yazoo (or Yaz if you're in US) classic 'Only You' using 10 instances of RePro-1. All sounds, with the exception of the 808 snare, comes from the RePro-1 synthesizer alone. There's a limiter on the Master Out with a subtle amount of tape saturation but no other effects are used. Some of the presets in the track will be submitted for inclusion in the factory content of the RePro-1. All credit to Pea Hicks for the midi.

https://soundcloud.com/luftrum-1/yazoo- ... by-luftrum

[gravehill]

Awesome synth so bought!

I have to admit, though, that I'm not very happy with how $69 turns to €79.84. I understand the VAT but would prefer that the actual end prices would be shown instead.

But VAT is only applicable for buyers in the EU and it even says € XX (+VAT) and in the end you get the total price (if you didn't figure it out for yourself before). I don't understand this discussion and the expectation what u-he should do different in this case.

I did figure it out but would prefer the price tag to say $69/€80 because that's what it costs. There might be some companies that can buy it without VAT but I suspect they are the minority. If they can't figure the VAT thing out, they'll just be pleasantly surprised when it's cheaper.

[Urs]

Added (+VAT in EU) to price information on first post. Didn't think there was a problem, sorry for that.

[koalaboy]

I know that in the UK and it may be the same elsewhere in the EU, that the government requires that prices for goods intended to be sold to the public (not just to businesses) *must* be shown inclusive of VAT.

Obviously that doesn't apply to non-UK websites, but it may explain why we're used to seeing VAT-inclusive prices everywhere.
I often forget that it's not the case when buying from abroad and the prices are shown on Euros (or especially GBP) which provides the frustration at the checkout.

It does help with GAS though

[#rob]

VAT is only applicable for buyers in the EU

Not true. Countries outside of EU have VAT. Even single states of the US. Not all, but some.

You click the link and 69 dollars turns out to be ~80 euro for EU customers.

You know the VAT is a tax imposed by the government, right? It doesn't go into our pockets.
It's not a little extra we ask for because we fancy to do so. Our asking price is $69. Ze end.
What your (yes, YOUR) government asks in addition to that is NO concern of ours.

When you browse a shop, normally the price displayed is the price you pay.

Not (entirely) true. When browsing websites of local stores that only deal with national sales, sure, then maybe. But especially when purchasing digital goods in international online stores, as is pretty common nowadays for software, then prices are very often displayed as "excl. VAT" prices. Not as a final price.

That is, if they there is any price displayed at all, considering this increasingly popular marketing/sales technique where you have to follow some "buy now" link first before you see a price for the first time.

The thing people don't seem to get about VAT is: if you live in a country that imposes VAT upon the buyers, you pay the VAT to YOUR country's government. Not to us, and not to our government. Or, well, WE should collect the VAT fee off you first, that's why we charge it, and then report and pay the VAT we collected off you to your country's government later on.

Different countries have different VAT rates, so in order to display a final price that's fair and adjusted for every website visitor, we'd have to deal with a LOT of possibilities. And we'd have to guarantee that our currency exchange rates are always up to date - no use in displaying today's price at yesterday's conversion rate, right?

Would you be comfortable buying something that says, for example, "$129.00 final price" on the website and then "$131.28 final price" in the shopping cart - because the data our website uses is a couple of minutes behind, maybe hours? Would seem really sketchy to me.

In addition to that, banks charge a currency conversion fee. Different banks, different conversion fees. We'd have to deal with a LOT of different conversion fees there...

And then there's the issue of correct localization. Just imagine a French citizen with a French billing address trying to purchase something. So the VAT for him should be displayed as +20% on top, because that's the VAT rate in France. Now they're staying in Italy for the weekend, when they find out about something like Repro-1 and they immediately have to snap it up because the offer (potentially) runs out tomorrow.

The website detects that they're in Italy, so it displays the price as +22% VAT. Which is incorrect. So when added to the cart and continuing to checkout, it's still displayed as +22% VAT. Enter the billing details, and suddenly the price drops to +20% VAT.

Now imagine it the other way round. We should be charging someone +22% VAT, but our website detects their location as France and displays the VAT as +20%. They add the product to the cart, enter the billing details, and suddenly the price goes up to +22% VAT.

Wouldn't that be a lot more bothersome?

The only "easy for everyone (except us)" alternative would be to ask fix Euro prices for everyone, considering the highest EU VAT amount (27%, Hungary) and adjusting our product prices to deal with that amount.

So, say someone living in Switzerland is visiting the Zebra2 product page.
They currently see "$199 excl VAT".
They should, in an ideal world, be seeing "$199 excl VAT, $214.92 incl 8% VAT".
But we can't do that, for all the reasons mentioned above.
Too much data to maintain, too unreliable outcome.
So, instead of displaying the Net price just as "$199 excl VAT", we'd raise its on-page price to "$252.73 incl. VAT".
That would be the Net $199 plus the maximum 27% Hungarian VAT.
We'd display the price of $252.73 to everyone paying VAT, everwhere.
That would be a final price and it would be equal to anyone around the EU.
You'd get an invoice where the Net product price and VAT amount vary depending on your location.
So someone in Germany would receive an invoice for Zebra2 priced at Net $212.38 + 19% VAT, and someone in Norway would receive an invoice for Zebra2 priced at Net $202.18 + 25% VAT.

That would give us an easy, reliable and consistent means to display a fixed and not-changing-anymore final price to everyone, including taxes and all. Just like people here are asking for. No headache for anyone.

But does that sound fair to you? Doesn't sound fair to me. Not at all.
If it's in any way legal to do that, we'll have to see.

Now imagine the buyer is a company or an artist and doesn't pay VAT at all.
That means someone in Estonia (20%) would pay less (Net $238.80) for the same product than someone in Ireland (23% - Net $244.77). Both those people/companies would be paying more then than they'd have to right now.

And we'd still have to figure out a way to present every non-VAT payer with a Net price that's calculated down individually for everyone from $252.73... sooo, back are the headaches.

The easiest and best way out, both for us and for customers, is to just have the Net price (excl. taxes) on the website, and then let Share-It's smart and well-maintained shopping cart system figure out for every individual purchaser what their final price is going to be. Just like it is now.

Doing anything else is a huge can of worms, and we're very happy that we have someone as professional as Share-It to deal with it for us, leaving us more time to concentrate our powers on things that really matter. Which is creating great sounding and ground breaking products.

That the note "plus VAT in EU" wasn't added to the original post was an oversight.
But the mentioned $69 are OUR (introductory) price for the plugin.
Any price including VAT is your government's price for the plugin, not ours.