[RANT] Solo function in Cubase SX

[mojkarma]

I have to jump between different screensets not only because of the mute function, but also to solo/mute a midi channel (driving my external synth).

What are you lazy or something?

In an analog studio with a bunch of rack gear and a big console and patch bays etc you have to physically move your head and body around to look at the status of various meters and leds etc. You also have to dick around with wiring to patch in compressors etc.

With a digital studio, most of it is inside your DAW and if you have sufficient monitor space you can display different things simultaneously. I run dual monitors and my main screenset consists of mixer and arrange in both Logic and SX. I can see what is going on in both all the time if I wish to.

If you are on a laptop or something and need to press a single key to swap screensets to check the status of something - what exactly is the problem? You may as well complain that the program doesn't write the song for you too - that would be the harder bit wouldn't it?

Excuse me, but let this be/leave a discussion between grown up people. Even if you are joking, I thing that from an design aspect, from the aspect of ergonomy, one can expect similar/identical buttons for similar/identical functions. If I can mute/solo a miditrack in the arrange, why on earth shouldn't I be able to do the same in the mixer if the mixer already shows a midichannel. Otherwise, what is the mixer good for?
As far as screensets go, I don't know your setup, but on a mac the screens are real changing anything but fast. Cubase behaves much better in that aspect on a pc but thats a different story.

[mojkarma]

Just to make myself clear: I ment the midichannelstrip in the trackmixer, not in the arrange. So, I hope that I'm know qualified for ranting.

Well, as said, there's a mute button in the trackmixer. I'd be astonished if they took it away in V7 (which I'm not using, at the conservatory V6 is what we use). It has allways been there until V6.
In addition, I allready said so, the absence of a solo button is pretty much funny, and believe me, it's been one of my bug reports back when I was testing for Emagic...

Well, exactly that is the problem. Let me quote you:
"I allready said so, the absence of a solo button is pretty much funny, and believe me,"

Misstakes on Logic are funny for you, but similar (that is very subjective) misstakes on cubase you qualify as "they have f**ked up the....".

How could one every think of pressing s on the keyboard while in the track mixer instead of searching for the solobutton!

Finally, here is a link: http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_logic_pro_7.htm

You can see in the lower right corner a fraction off a trackmixer. The fourth channel is a midichannel and you can clearly see that there is no button. As much as I can remember even if you select the channel it doesn't appear (and why should a button appear by selecting a object?!)

[Sascha Franck]

Misstakes on Logic are funny for you, but similar (that is very subjective) misstakes on cubase you qualify as "they have f**ked up the....".

If you really think I find it "funny", well then...

Apart from that, what I described regarding SX' solo function qualifies as "f**ked up" (or as a bug, whatever you prefer...), whereas the lack of a mute button is just that: a lack.

How could one every think of pressing s on the keyboard while in the track mixer instead of searching for the solobutton!

As said, it's a lack, but it doesn't get in anybodys way once you know it. The solo function in SX does. Heck, it's even f**ked up in a way that you can't use a screenset with a project, mixer and key editor window opened at once.

[mojkarma]

Well, here is another link from the same site showing logic 6.3: http://www.tweakheadz.com/review_of_logic_6.htm

Here the trackmixer has indeed a mutebutton!

You would say that logic7 lacks (a mute button), I would say it is f**ked up.

[Sascha Franck]

You would say that logic7 lacks (a mute button), I would say it is f**ked up.

Yeah, I would even agree... but then, it's pretty much a minor thing and never really got in my way, whereas the Cubase solo function did so, several times. And, unlike with the Logic lack of dedicated buttons, there's not exactly a workaround.

[nuffink]

I'm done with you. But please do grace us, with a last, good, clever comeback. This thread sure needs you, as you need a life.

See ya, troll.

[nuffink]

So, what has happened over at the cubase forum? Have they kicked out all the warez kiddies?

I can't see any other explanation for the emergence of trolling little motherfuckers like crybaby here.

[stag]

As a spectator i think you both deserve a yellow card...
No one´s allowed to mess with Sasha´s Rant.

[egbert]

Excuse me, but let this be/leave a discussion between grown up people. Even if you are joking, I thing that from an design aspect, from the aspect of ergonomy, one can expect similar/identical buttons for similar/identical functions. If I can mute/solo a miditrack in the arrange, why on earth shouldn't I be able to do the same in the mixer if the mixer already shows a midichannel. Otherwise, what is the mixer good for?

Huh? Your midi solo squabble is with Sashca not with me.

As far as screensets go, I don't know your setup, but on a mac the screens are real changing anything but fast. Cubase behaves much better in that aspect on a pc but thats a different story.

I am on PC - Logic changes screensets almost instantaneously on my 2 x1280*1024 setup. You also dodged my point about screen space. If you are serious about either Logic or Cubase you will surely have enough screen real estate to show Arrange and Mixer simultaneously. If you do this, whole line of arguement about Solo in Arrange and Mixer becomes moot.

[flex42]

LOL! The update that took months to release killed the "ctrl+tab" shortcut to cycle windows...
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic. ... 71a46315d5

their inhouse beta-testers must be zombies, glad i switched to Live...

[Sascha Franck]

LOL! The update that took months to release killed the "ctrl+tab" shortcut to cycle windows...
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic. ... 71a46315d5

their inhouse beta-testers must be zombies, glad i switched to Live...

I allways thought their betatesters were mentally retarded, so this is just proving it.
Losing such an important shortcut is just nothing else but dumbass shit.

Yeah, great new features... so what?

[Midi_Glider]

Yeah the Ctrl+Tab is a *major* show stopper! it would actually stop people from using cubase altogether and make them immediately crossover to Logic (witch only crashes all over the place) or sonar (witch only has some occasional audio dropouts and can`t keep its PDC shit together).


not!

[flex42]

it sure was one of my most-used keyboard shortcuts...

[Sascha Franck]

Yeah the Ctrl+Tab is a *major* show stopper! it would actually stop people from using cubase altogether and make them immediately crossover to Logic (witch only crashes all over the place) or sonar (witch only has some occasional audio dropouts and can`t keep its PDC shit together).


not!

Of course it's not a showstopper, but it's one of the most popular commands inside an application which makes you drown in windows after only 2 minutes of work.
After all, it doesn't even matter whether it's a showstopper. It's just a good prove that their testers actually don't seem to work enough on some issues. I've been on more than enough beta testing teams where such a thing wouldn't have had the slightest chance to slip through.
So, either their testers just don't hammer the program hard enough or they simply had to rush this release out again, without any final quality control (which wouldn't be the first time... but it's nothing Steinberg is guilty of alone).

And fwiw, I'm havin less Logic than Cubase crashes, even if I'm probably using it 10x as much. This has allways been the case since, say, the Cubase 3.5 days, regardless of the used computer and audio hardware.

[stag]

it seems from the posts above to deal with the solo function on other apps, one´s has to have always two windows opened, "if you don´t have enough monitors real state you ain´t serious about music" or something like that.