Protools Users, how do u do it >>>>>>

[koolkeys]

I apolagize to the thread starter for helping to get this thread off track. I won't mention anything else not related, I promise. However, the offer remains. If you have any specific PT questions, or need any help, I will try to help. I am certified in PT so I hope I can help you one way or another with the knowledge. Please accept my apolagy for not getting right to your answers.

Koolkeys

[koolkeys]

i'm pretty sure those who hated protools before weren't won over by this thread...

a few points:

protools established itself in the pro marketplace by combining hardware and software...the track count, bouncing, and ease of use was unheard of... without special proprietary hardware, just a mac...most other stuff at the time was a LOT more dough...there were a few systems out, remember them? yes, newer native systems have come out but the high end PT systems still hold a place...all the processing is done with zero hit on the cpu in question, it's gonna give you performance you can count on including the TDM FX and synths (but it's f-u-c-k-i-n-g expensive!)

it's already been pointed out that PT never came off like a midi sequencer at first, lots of producers still use MPC's, ARS10's, a different computer for sequencing or sample streaming, etc....PT is a really good tape recorder...

i don't really understand why people keep talking about lack of vst and such, i'm still wrapping my head around this...i know this is a primarily vst web site, but it's kind of silly to point out over and over how your host is the best, PT really ain't a "host" as such, it's a damn digital tape recorder... the business Digidesign got it's grips into still exists regardless of guys at home producing tunes, they've added more midi stuff to provide some flexability and maybe a one stop shop for some, but there will always be a need for the heavy duty midiseq guys that PT will never accommodate...and there are so many musicians that will never, ever touch a VSTi or download VST FX...

one thing i have to say about the mbox that hasn't been brought up: it gives the regular dumbasses out there a chance to to do some tracks at home and go into a bigger "real" studio and record drums and such in a good room, nice mics and pres, that sort of thing..and mix....without a bunch of hassles with files and whatnot...

please understand, i've used PT, it's the one i know, but i won't buy it, it cost too much and i went a slightly different direction than i thought i would...the mbox doesn't have the i/o i need and the 002 systems don't have the bang for buck -I- need...
but i would get it if i had a commercial studio, i'd probably have a PC loaded with vst crap too...

the other thing i really wanted to address is the complaints on the track count limits in PT...the LE limit is 32? i think Cubase LE is 48? now i gotta ask, how many tracks do you need? what on earth are you doing where you have 30 tracks and you think "man, i need another 20 tracks or this song is going to to suck"? boheimian rhapsody 2?


enough outta me,
rg

Well said. The track count limit is only on audio tracks. And it's not actually a limit on tracks, but a limit on voices. But if you have more tracks, you can either bounce to disk, or automate and turn off voices that aren't playing. So it's not totally bad, though I do wish the restriction would be removed. How this relates to the thread is that the MIDI tracks aren't limited, as I said. So that is a good thing.

Koolkeys

[hello1234]

edit, forget it........

[hello1234]

edit, forget it........

[koolkeys]

My comments weren't directed at whyterabbyt, rather at Jens. To me, whyterabbyt was quite fair, and I agree. He actually had an intelligent response.

Anyways, peace.

Koolkeys

[hello1234]

Most music today is programmed, with few or no live instruments,,, Of course midi and VSTi's are the buzzword then....

I've worked on protools before, version 6.4 LE, and to my best knowledge, protools was heavily lacking in the midi and soft synth department....

Have things changed ?... if not how r u protools users coping with this drawback...

I really tried to bring my point into this dude, but as whiterrabit and jens clearly pointed out, I don't know anything I'm talking about and should not even try to help.

I hope you have luck in your quest

[Midi_Glider]

PT IS very stable, on more than my system.

PT might be stable, but its not more stable then most other hosts out there. its still crashes and requires system restarts-dedicated hardware or not.


so this is not really an "advantage".

now i gotta ask, how many tracks do you need? what on earth are you doing where you have 30 tracks and you think "man, i need another 20 tracks or this song is going to to suck"?

I need as much as I need. what I don`t need is to be restricted. for example, many of my projects have 20+ channels for vocals alone. and just so we`r all clear on this: we are talking 32 mono voices here, right? well, even just bouncing down BFD to separate channels can steel you most of that...


Best,
midi.

[whyterabbyt]

the other thing i really wanted to address is the complaints on the track count limits in PT...the LE limit is 32? i think Cubase LE is 48? now i gotta ask, how many tracks do you need?

An unlimited number. So that when I need just one more track, I'm not screwed.

what on earth are you doing where you have 30 tracks and you think "man, i need another 20 tracks or this song is going to to suck"? boheimian rhapsody 2?

A good drum machine like BFD can easily use half your outputs. One multitimbral synth like SampleTank2 could use the rest.

But more to the point, why are you attacking people's need for something beyond a purely arbitrary limitation? Because its good to have so few tracks?

[jens]

koolkeys, just in case I didn't manage to bring across my point clearly enough:

your posts about PT are like many political arguments - impressive sounding words but containing almost no real information. That way you help to spread the mystizism around PT. This mystizism is nothing but bad. I am interested in PT hence I visited this thread.
But although you wrote quite a few words about PT I am none the wiser now than I was.
However from reading your posts it appears to me as if PT really hasn't got much to offer (just like a lot of people here think) or else you would have mentioned it, wouldn't you?

[ross g]

the other thing i really wanted to address is the complaints on the track count limits in PT...the LE limit is 32? i think Cubase LE is 48? now i gotta ask, how many tracks do you need?

An unlimited number. So that when I need just one more track, I'm not screwed.

what on earth are you doing where you have 30 tracks and you think "man, i need another 20 tracks or this song is going to to suck"? boheimian rhapsody 2?

A good drum machine like BFD can easily use half your outputs. One multitimbral synth like SampleTank2 could use the rest.

But more to the point, why are you attacking people's need for something beyond a purely arbitrary limitation? Because its good to have so few tracks?

i 'ed ie it WAS A JOKE! i attacked no one intentionally...

sorry..(edit: after re-reading my last post i guess it does look like i'm ripping on youse, again UNINTENTIONAL!)

i don't use PT either, i used to, i'd probably would have gotten Digital Performer for my home rig but i couldn't afford so much money for a mac and everything else ....i was just trying to make a few points..the original poster asked how do people use PT in the modern programmed music music world and i addressed that 4 pages ago, then expressed some selling points about PT...i'm of the opinion most stuff is ok, just what you've used/ like in paticular..

i don't want to argue with anyone here, i've pointed out before that i've gotten far more assistance and good, usefull info on kvr to start shit...i, like others here, have my experience and opinions and express them from time to time, i personally have a problem with some of the more polemic attitudes, but that's kind of the dynamic around here i suppose...keeps it interesting!

anyway, i got T2 and it's lots of fun...I'M FINALLY MAKING MUSIC AGAIN!


but i have to go wipe my sons ass now...






rg

[josevin2000]

Well thanks one and all... i think i got more than what i asked for.. never expected this to turn into a fre for all... cmon now jens and koolkeys, u guys need to patch up.

hmmm now lemmme see... did i get an answer to my questions... Oh yeah i did... So the fact that in its most recent version too, protools is behind other hosts in midi and soft synth dept.. Fair enuf

I dont wanna get into the other pros and cons... i put up this query only out of curiosity, since i've been out of touch with protools for quite some time now...

btw one more question... can protools import omf file exported from nuendo////

[jens]

btw one more question... can protools import omf file exported from nuendo////

only the TDM-version afaik...

[warp x]

Yes, it can.

I use PTLE quite a lot, and have to say I love the stability and superior workflow.
If you want to do a lot of midi editing, and work with synths that have multiple outs, best get DP. (if you are on a mac) DP has GREAT midi editing.
PT is more like a tape recorder, but it's a damn good one.
Never understood why so many people dislike it so much.

[Stupid American Pig]

Most music today is programmed, with few or no live instruments,,, Of course midi and VSTi's are the buzzword then....

Speak for yerself buddy- I play everything but drums live, even if I do suck at every instrument.

[josevin2000]

Yep even i dont think the LE versons allow for omf import... which really must be included.. hope it comes in version 7... and finally i strongly feel adding rewire capability will enhance Protools reputation a bit..

Well Mr NOT SO STUPID AMERICAN PIG , sorry for generalising my opinion... dont nail me on that one/// ..