Protools Users, how do u do it >>>>>>

[josevin2000]

Most music today is programmed, with few or no live instruments,,, Of course midi and VSTi's are the buzzword then....

I've worked on protools before, version 6.4 LE, and to my best knowledge, protools was heavily lacking in the midi and soft synth department....

Have things changed ?... if not how r u protools users coping with this drawback...

[bduffy]

You can use most VSTi in PT, a lot of comapnies support RTAS (all Native Instruments, for example), fxPansion makes an adapter, Pluggo can run on PT, Multi VST Shell, etc. So they can use a lot of them - plus electronic music was and is being made in PT since the start...they're probably wondering how us non-users manage!

Probably use a lot of outboard gear as well.

[ross g]

lots of people still use those mpc dealies and hardware key boards, lock 'em up, lay it down, and mix...stuff gets tracked thru great mics and pre's, gets chopped and looped and "cher'd",sends and returns thru tried and true high end fx, and god forbid, PLAYED LIVE!!! just use it like a tape deck with many channels and endless editing...lots of time they route the tracks thru big boards and analog processing also...plus, reverbs have come a long way, but a live room is still a live room, lest yee forget...

i love acting like i know what i'm talking about,
rg

[bduffy]

...i love acting like i know what i'm talking about,
rg

Oh, me too.

[hello1234]

edit, never mind.........

[Nev]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

[bduffy]

Realtime bouncing!! Bleh.

[Nev]

Realtime bouncing!! Bleh.

Indeed! People keep telling me its good to check your mix.

Not if you have to do like 50 tracks a day it's not!

Nev

[bduffy]

Realtime bouncing!! Bleh.

Indeed! People keep telling me its good to check your mix.

Not if you have to do like 50 tracks a day it's not!

Nev

No, and I can't remember the last time I got a glitch in an offline bounce...my heart bleeds for ya, man.

[ross g]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

this is a serious question, what is it that you can do that isn't "real time", what is it you do with this, i've heard of "freezing" and i don't know what it is...

i was a PT guy before macs went pci or windows, i've just finally got my home studio to the point where i can do what i want (got T2 yesterday!), seems like a lot of guys on kvr don't like PT and i'm not sure why... i know why i don't like Logic or Cubase LE, could never wrap my head around Logic and Cubase LE is kinda like a toy imo...i think a lot of it has to do with what one feels most comfortable with, what you came up with, or what you "hear is the best"...most stuff does the same thing at this point, PT just did it in a "pro" way first as far as simplicity/function and became accepted in the pro music world...pc's have caught up and perhaps surpased macs, i just couldn't afford a mac setup but it's taken awhile to get my shit together with the pc stuff...one thing that helped me with my decision is i always saw that pc software was less $$ than the mac stuff, at some point ya feel like you're getting it from behind, no? as long as i can make my muzak, i'll be happy...i've only formed two solid opinions since my foray into the pc music world:

1. i'll never give up my analog synth gear
2. i think i would have been more happy with max/msp than reaktor



rg

(i actually came 'round "hosts" for T2 q's, i'll play around more, see you tomorrow!!!)


rg

[Nev]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

this is a serious question, what is it that you can do that isn't "real time", what is it you do with this, i've heard of "freezing" and i don't know what it is...

i was a PT guy before macs went pci or windows, i've just finally got my home studio to the point where i can do what i want (got T2 yesterday!), seems like a lot of guys on kvr don't like PT and i'm not sure why... i know why i don't like Logic or Cubase LE, could never wrap my head around Logic and Cubase LE is kinda like a toy imo...i think a lot of it has to do with what one feels most comfortable with, what you came up with, or what you "hear is the best"...most stuff does the same thing at this point, PT just did it in a "pro" way first as far as simplicity/function and became accepted in the pro music world...pc's have caught up and perhaps surpased macs, i just couldn't afford a mac setup but it's taken awhile to get my shit together with the pc stuff...one thing that helped me with my decision is i always saw that pc software was less $$ than the mac stuff, at some point ya feel like you're getting it from behind, no? as long as i can make my muzak, i'll be happy...i've only formed two solid opinions since my foray into the pc music world:

1. i'll never give up my analog synth gear
2. i think i would have been more happy with max/msp than reaktor



rg

(i actually came 'round "hosts" for T2 q's, i'll play around more, see you tomorrow!!!)


rg

Basically, inmost hosts you can select an area and render to disk or somesuch and it does it offline. In PT you pretty much do the same, and then "bounce" to disk. Which basicallt means it plays back your mix and records it, so realtime bouncing. Yeah you can consolidate and export but I wish I could just do save as and choose wav and...kerpow...like every other sequencer known to man, you have a file of you mix.

I'm not knocking PT too much tho. It is as you say very important that you are comfortable with the software you use, and its all about the way in which "you" work. For audio recording / clean up/ editing PT is probably one of the finest.

Nev

[ross g]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

this is a serious question, what is it that you can do that isn't "real time", what is it you do with this, i've heard of "freezing" and i don't know what it is...


1. i'll never give up my analog synth gear
2. i think i would have been more happy with max/msp than reaktor



rg

(i actually came 'round "hosts" for T2 q's, i'll play around more, see you tomorrow!!!)


rg

Basically, inmost hosts you can select an area and render to disk or somesuch and it does it offline. In PT you pretty much do the same, and then "bounce" to disk. Which basicallt means it plays back your mix and records it, so realtime bouncing. Yeah you can consolidate and export but I wish I could just do save as and choose wav and...kerpow...like every other sequencer known to man, you have a file of you mix.

I'm not knocking PT too much tho. It is as you say very important that you are comfortable with the software you use, and its all about the way in which "you" work. For audio recording / clean up/ editing PT is probably one of the finest.

Nev

i guess what i don't understand is: if you are bouncing a track to disk, doesn't it have to write to disk? in other words, how does it do it offline? i thought that sound files have to write in real time if they are full bandwidth, same as how one can't compress audio files, they are as tight as they can be unlike some redundacy in visuals and such (i'm talking FULL BANDWIDTH as in lossless, i know mp3's are compressed but they are "lossy")..i'm not trying to be an ass, i just don't get it..


rg

[bduffy]

i guess what i don't understand is: if you are bouncing a track to disk, doesn't it have to write to disk? in other words, how does it do it offline? i thought that sound files have to write in real time if they are full bandwidth, same as how one can't compress audio files, they are as tight as they can be unlike some redundacy in visuals and such (i'm talking FULL BANDWIDTH as in lossless, i know mp3's are compressed but they are "lossy")..i'm not trying to be an ass, i just don't get it..

OK, you got a 4-bar synth bass line. You want to turn that synth into an audio file so you can now play with it like any other audio clip. In most sequencers, you select the 4-bar length, select something like "bounce to track" and the after a short process bar, the wave appears in its own new track. Got nothing to do with bandwidth or quality.

[Nev]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

this is a serious question, what is it that you can do that isn't "real time", what is it you do with this, i've heard of "freezing" and i don't know what it is...


1. i'll never give up my analog synth gear
2. i think i would have been more happy with max/msp than reaktor



rg

(i actually came 'round "hosts" for T2 q's, i'll play around more, see you tomorrow!!!)


rg

Basically, inmost hosts you can select an area and render to disk or somesuch and it does it offline. In PT you pretty much do the same, and then "bounce" to disk. Which basicallt means it plays back your mix and records it, so realtime bouncing. Yeah you can consolidate and export but I wish I could just do save as and choose wav and...kerpow...like every other sequencer known to man, you have a file of you mix.

I'm not knocking PT too much tho. It is as you say very important that you are comfortable with the software you use, and its all about the way in which "you" work. For audio recording / clean up/ editing PT is probably one of the finest.

Nev

i guess what i don't understand is: if you are bouncing a track to disk, doesn't it have to write to disk? in other words, how does it do it offline? i thought that sound files have to write in real time if they are full bandwidth, same as how one can't compress audio files, they are as tight as they can be unlike some redundacy in visuals and such (i'm talking FULL BANDWIDTH as in lossless, i know mp3's are compressed but they are "lossy")..i'm not trying to be an ass, i just don't get it..


rg

I don't know the dsp behind it but most software, Audition, Live 5, Cubase et, will let you "render" a selection, and then it does its magic and you have a wav file or whatever of that data on your hard disc. It normally takes considerably less than "realtime". It can also be what ever quality you set, not neccesarily lossy like mp3.

However in PT it actually plays back that area in realtime as it does its conversions, or if you select it will do the conversions after its finished the playback. Does that make sense ? Bit rambly....

Nev

[hello1234]

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