Waves GTR vs Native Instruments Guitar Rig 2

[Lunch Money]

My understanding is that you HAVE to buy the foot pedal. The non-footpedal version is only available as an upgrade path, from what I've gathered. I could be totally wrong, though.

[John Vulich]

Jeez... the time it takes for people to get offended over nothing on KvR these days is less than my latency!

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So the discussion of the possible existence of warez is offensive now?



Chill out people.

Well then, you should learn how to read properly. He's was pretty blatantly encouraging people to try out the warez version...

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Anyway, it's against the forum rules and he should be more diligent about following them if he wants to be a part of the community. I'm amazed that this thread hasn't been locked or deleted yet. It's always disrupting when a legitimate thread, that can have useful information, gets locked because some jackass posts this type of crap. And this isn't the first time he's endorsed warez on this forum either.

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4. Members are asked to respect the copyright of other users, sites, media, etc. Users linking to, asking for information about, or blatantly bragging about using, warez, crackz, pirated sample content, re-printing material without permission, etc. will result in your post being edited / deleted, and you may be issued with a warning and / or a ban.

[Aural Chaos]

The Amplitube 2 and GR 2 both come with nice footpedals.

Except Amplitube 2 doesn't. Have they even hinted at a price for the foot controller yet?


GR2,however,has a full demo!!

[dc12]

Jeez... the time it takes for people to get offended over nothing on KvR these days is less than my latency!

I didn't read dc12's post as promoting warez - rather stating a fact - or at least a fact as he sees it.
He didn't state where to get the said cracks... but simply said that they existed.

So the discussion of the possible existence of warez is offensive now?



Chill out people.

yep,i was talking abot existence of cracked GTR,but for someone here is obviously hard to understand.
i really didn't mean to offend anyone.
My apologize

[Cryogenic]

Oh yeah, good idea getting on his bad side. Next I suggest you take on Kriminal, Bones or Nuffink.

LOL. What a joke.
Are they gonna textually abuse him?
These three idiots gets told here more than often.
Whats you point, really?

[whyterabbyt]

So the discussion of the possible existence of warez is offensive now?

Try re-reading the terms and conditions of KVR some time...

[kevvvvv]

whyterabbyt

Try re-reading the terms and conditions of KVR some time...

Exactly

[John Vulich]

yep,i was talking abot existence of cracked GTR,but for someone here is obviously hard to understand.
i really didn't mean to offend anyone.
My apologize

It's obviously hard someone here to admit to a mistake without backpedaling.

You wrote...

waves GTR was cracked yesterday,so anyone can try it ,guitar rig 2 also

Sorry, but I read it as you encouraging people to try out the warez version. Do you really need to use gleeful little smiles just to draw attention to the mere existence of warez?. What purpose does "talking about the existence of warez" serve anyway? Does it really contribute to the discussion at hand? If this was a thread about the uselessness of some form of copy protection, it would be excusable. But it was a thread about comparisons between two products. In the context of this thread you were encouraging people to try out the two plugins, in question, via the warez version. Give me a break, you know damned well what your intent was. Stop trying to weasel your way out of it.

I personally don't give a shit if people use warez, I just hate it when interesting threads get locked because people are too ignorant to follow the forum's rules. This has happened all together way too often around here and I'm sick of it.

[John Vulich]

So the discussion of the possible existence of warez is offensive now?

Try re-reading the terms and conditions of KVR some time...

Particularly easy since I just posted them a few massages back.

[Sascha Franck]

The bad thing about the whole PACE dilemma (amd yes, it *has* been a true dilemma, no idea how well things are working today) is that apparently a lot of legit Waves users (even a few of their testers, as it seems) were like "buy the original, use the crack". This *seems* to make a strong point for all the "warez aren't allways all that bad" folks. But it only *seems*.
If PACE was/is that bad, why not stay away from them entirely? That's what I did. Sure, bad luck for those that bought a package allready, even worse if you can't find a proper replacement - but these days at least the latter is no issue anymore.
And staying away from them entirely, regardless whether you'll be using a legit or hacked version, thus not spreading the "Waves is good" word at all, is the *only* way that might teach them one day.
Even if my deepest sympathies go to those with the "PACE f**ked it up" machines, their copy protection should be no reason to get into warez but should rather make stay away from them and get over it.

[Tren]

What purpose does "talking about the existence of warez" serve anyway? Does it really contribute to the discussion at hand?

Actually seeing as there is no way to demo the product in question without buying a PACE ilok *OR* trying the warez version I think his contribution was entirely relevant. He didn't blag (which would go against the terms and conditions) and he didn't post links. One could interpret the smiley which you flagged up as a breach, as being a cheeky grin of realisation at what a farce copy protection has become to the point of not only hurting legitimate users but now also *potential* legitimate users!!

Its never as black and white as people here wish to believe, and censorship is never the answer to protecting people of weak moral fibre - which one doesn't always have to be to "sample" warez software. If anything, it is the denial of knowledge which creates such biased view points. The situation is worsened by people parting with large sums creating a bias on their part against other people choosing to be more careful about theirs. As such, in light of Waves' demo and pricing policies I feel such comments were not pro-piracy. They were pro-consumer power. If the moderators disagree then ban my account, but at least have the dignity to leave this post up so others may freely make their own minds up on this most contentious of grey area issues!!

[Sascha Franck]

The absence of a demo running without an iLok again is no justification to use the warezed version. It's a perfect justification for anything along the "Waves can rot in hell" lines though. Just don't use their stuff and be done.

[John Vulich]

What purpose does "talking about the existence of warez" serve anyway? Does it really contribute to the discussion at hand?

Actually seeing as there is no way to demo the product in question without buying a PACE ilok *OR* trying the warez version I think his contribution was entirely relevant.

You do have a point, however those users that fear using a Pace protected app on their systems are unlikely to ever buy the product anyway. So what's the point in demoing, via a warez version, if they have no intention of really buying it.

Quite frankly, your logic leaves a bit to be desired.

[stag]

i know legit paying customers of a lot of software, leaving their dongles and pace elsewhere than their PCs.

I think the guy drawing attention here to cracked software wasn´t thinking rigth at the moment he did it, i know he meant no arm bacause he said: "TRY IT", not use it or get it. anyway it looked bad as farting at the first date with a major babe.

[Tren]

So what's the point in demoing, via a warez version, if they have no intention of really buying it.

So they can use it like most legitimate Waves users who are computer literate do; keep the version that has had the copyprotection stripped on their computer and keep the bought disc and ilok in the cupboard...

of course i doubt this would ever hold up in a court of law...but i'd hope it never would have to...at least not quite but who knows where the world is going...