I'am dissapointed

[nuffink]

thanks for your helpfullness guys. But what i´am still wondering is whether it is a synth out that sounds exactly like the hardware version of the synth, just like it is the case with ABL and phoscyon?

What do you mean by "exactly"? I can play the same note on three guitars all made of wood, all with the same model strings and pickups. They all sound like guitars. I can even play them the same way and adjust their sound so that each is very close to the others in tone but do they sound "exactly" like each other? No. Not even 3 strats sound "exactly" the same. Moogs, Arps and TBs of the same type and production run sound different. Which one did they get "exactly" right?

How in the name of all things logical can anyone think a pile of C++ and digital siginal processing sounds "exactly" the same as infinate sample rate (that means real time, all of the time)analog electronics, is beyond me? Does it mean so much to some, that they can clam a $60 software program is equal to a $600 synthesizer and believe it? Unreal!

Sample rate by definition means that it's on part of the time and off part of the time.. That means there are holes in the signal. Digital siginal processing also adds aliasing to the original signal. It adds stuff that isn't there and leaves out stuff that is. Can not, no way, not even... be "exactly" the same. The good thing is that it cost $60 bucks, it won't break down and it's close enough for a mixed mp3. You got what you paid for so be happy.

Wow! Digital 101. Done really badly.


Analog sometimes has holes in the signal.

[olepro]

By one of the Vaz synths and your search is over !

[whyterabbyt]

I'am dissapointed that almost all synths i know don't sound real, like analo synths,

Im sorry that your synths dont sound real. Can you define what 'real' sounds like. Obviously you consider that analog synths sound 'real', but that doesnt actually help...

i affort very much, master my songs, compress the synths and add effects like echo, reverb and flanger and delay and they still don't sound like released psytrance songs at all,

If your tracks dont sound like released psytrance songs at all, then perhaps your mastering, compressing, echo, and flanger and delay are all done in such a way as to not sound like released psytrance songs. Is that possible?

but for example the aoudiorealism bassline through it's sequenzer sounds very well, i did a song with it and other synths, mastered everything and ABL sounds well and like the real synth in the song,

So it was just the bassline which sounded like 'released psytrance songs' ??

Maybe

but it is hopeless with all the other synths so i'am wondering if only TB303 emulations like ABL and phoscyon sound like real instruments?

Yes. Clearly only TB303 emulations sound like real instruments. You will need to buy real instruments for all the other real instrument sounds to sound like 'released psytrance songs'.

[vstDOG]

Baniev, a lot of today's psytrance is made with soft only!
You just need to learn how to beef up your sounds with the right FX (Compression, Distortiom/Tube, Reverb, EQ) etc...
You could also buy an Access Virus which is the most frequently used synth in Psy. It has a very distinctive sound which no soft sounds exactly like it. If you rather stay soft then get a cheap Powercore Element and buy the Virus plug for it. I have it and it sounds great (same as the hardware).

vstDOG.

[eidenk]

Isn't the Virus software powered ? A bloke at the music shop trying one told me it was a physical modelling synth.

And aren't the Nords also software powered ?

[ancientoak]

Isn't the Virus software powered ? A bloke at the music shop trying one told me it was a physical modelling synth.

And aren't the Nords also software powered ?

Of course they are. They're a bunch of algorithms running on DSP chips and don't have any real advantage to VSTis other than lots of dedicated DSP power.
But please reserve the use of "physical modelling" for synthesis that tries to emulate acoustic phenomena such as the vibration of air within a pipe, because that's what people know it as.

[eidenk]

But please reserve the use of "physical modelling" for synthesis that tries to emulate acoustic phenomena such as the vibration of air within a pipe, because that's what people know it as.

So what software synthesis is used in the Viruses then ? I just repeat what I have been told by someone who was into buying one at the shop.

Also I'd be asking something else. In a proper hardware synth, what do I actually get to hear ? Amplified and modified noise of the electrons in the semiconductors ?

[whyterabbyt]

So what software synthesis is used in the Viruses then ?

VirusOS?

The Virus is a bunch of code running on a dedicated DSP processor...

[eidenk]

VirusOS is no intrisically different than Windows + a VSThost I guess.

Your answer is just like if i asked what software synthesis is used in "any VSTi name" and you'd answer me VST in Windows. A bunch of code running on a processor.

[TotcProductions]

scuse me for being presumptuous, but i'm going to guess you arrived at electornic music in digital..

guy 'kilo' at dancetech.com says that if he taught a school for this, the first year you would only make tracks with mixing and eq.. no effects.

digital synths can be very 'pure,' which was a great ocntrast back in the old days, but if you come up in it it can sound boring, plain - learn to make parts work together, then learn to add effects..

..or do it the other way aorund, really.. point is, break it down into secitons.

if your music doesn't sing, don't blame the instrument. old hands will generally attest 'very true.'

all this new digital stuf kicks ass. respect the art.. take time to discover subtleties. don't expect it to spring to life under a new hand..

The man hath spoken....let nothing but silence and awe follow his wisdom.

[Meffy]

In a proper hardware synth, what do I actually get to hear ? Amplified and modified noise of the electrons in the semiconductors ?

Not the thermal noise, but patterns of electron current flow and voltages developed across loads. IIRC, electron thermal emission does contribute a significant amount of (unwanted) noise to analog signals. But off the top of my head I couldn't tell you how much.

[crimsonwarlock]

Make yer own like everyone else does ya big sissy

Been there, done that



It's the top one (bottom one is a Siel Orchestra II).

[Reverse Engineer]

Make yer own like everyone else does ya big sissy

Been there, done that



It's the top one (bottom one is a Siel Orchestra II).

Then you, of course, have earned the respect you are due.

[crimsonwarlock]

Then you, of course, have earned the respect you are due.

Thank you. Now where do I find a VSTi developer that wants to build this thing in software (preferably as a freeware instrument)

[Baniev]

I just noticed that cantrip don't sound bad at all for trance, the sound is smooth and full, i never worked with it because the knobs are almost invisible