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Hi Hibbidy, Thanks for that link , very useful.
While I was there I saw this,
http://www.kvraudio.com/interview_with_ ... imedia.php
Which really shows where their focus is at present. The Mobile market and Iphone/Ipad, so after that there is Android and Win Mobile 7 ? Not sure of the date of interview though.

It's interesting because yesterday I read a report about how a group of Companies were trying to develop Apps that would work on any mobile Os by running on their own mini Os like a bridge, the idea being that developers would not have to write 3 or more versions of an app to cover most of the mobile market, which reaaly makes sense and shows the dust has not settled in the mobile market yet.

Where as 64 bit is here, in the interview it does not even get a mention though multi-threading and improvements in cpu processing power do, in early 2007 when I had Vista 64 and Cubase 4 x64 was released as a download I had an informal conversation about the future of 64 bit with The Uk IK tech and reasonably concluded that probably AT3 would be 64 bit and that AT2 might even be ported towards the end of it's life as 32 bit was doomed like 16 bit before it, but doubted whether anything would happen for a couple of years.
We are now way past early 2009.
So come on IK wake up and smell the coffee, I know new customers are good, but don't forget your previous customers needs because bridging 32 bit plugins is a pain in the bum, especially with cubase. Trains left the station and if you run you might just get on board in time :wheee: .
When moving to native 64 bit, AT3 is just a passenger being dragged along by more memory intensive passengers, but it is a passenger I don't want to loose, same goes for T-racks and SampleTank, CSR I fear is doomed to 32 bit graveyard.
I remember eons ago a friend of mine who worked with photos bought a 16 bit scanner for £5000 ($7500) and within 2 years it was junk because makers did not write 32bit drivers for it, eventually makers were taken over, so it could be worse. :)
NAS, I hope your wrong, IK /Sonic Reality/Essounds have always seemed to do very reasonable deals with IK stuff, especially when you add in crossgrade discounts, and they appear to be hiring on their website as well. I am sure I-rig is successful and brings in money. My fear is they are to small to keep all their products up to date as they cast their net futher than they can deal with.

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Oscat01 wrote:Hi Hibbidy, Thanks for that link , very useful.
While I was there I saw this,
http://www.kvraudio.com/interview_with_ ... imedia.php
Which really shows where their focus is at present. The Mobile market and Iphone/Ipad, so after that there is Android and Win Mobile 7 ? Not sure of the date of interview though.

It's interesting because yesterday I read a report about how a group of Companies were trying to develop Apps that would work on any mobile Os by running on their own mini Os like a bridge, the idea being that developers would not have to write 3 or more versions of an app to cover most of the mobile market, which reaaly makes sense and shows the dust has not settled in the mobile market yet.

Where as 64 bit is here, in the interview it does not even get a mention though multi-threading and improvements in cpu processing power do, in early 2007 when I had Vista 64 and Cubase 4 x64 was released as a download I had an informal conversation about the future of 64 bit with The Uk IK tech and reasonably concluded that probably AT3 would be 64 bit and that AT2 might even be ported towards the end of it's life as 32 bit was doomed like 16 bit before it, but doubted whether anything would happen for a couple of years.
We are now way past early 2009.
So come on IK wake up and smell the coffee, I know new customers are good, but don't forget your previous customers needs because bridging 32 bit plugins is a pain in the bum, especially with cubase. Trains left the station and if you run you might just get on board in time :wheee: .
When moving to native 64 bit, AT3 is just a passenger being dragged along by more memory intensive passengers, but it is a passenger I don't want to loose, same goes for T-racks and SampleTank, CSR I fear is doomed to 32 bit graveyard.
I remember eons ago a friend of mine who worked with photos bought a 16 bit scanner for £5000 ($7500) and within 2 years it was junk because makers did not write 32bit drivers for it, eventually makers were taken over, so it could be worse. :)
NAS, I hope your wrong, IK /Sonic Reality/Essounds have always seemed to do very reasonable deals with IK stuff, especially when you add in crossgrade discounts, and they appear to be hiring on their website as well. I am sure I-rig is successful and brings in money. My fear is they are to small to keep all their products up to date as they cast their net futher than they can deal with.
Oh hey, thanks for the link!

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NAS wrote:From the sales IK have been having (I got in on the sampletank one)
It "LOOKS" pretty obvious from the outside they they are either on their last legs or the IOS side of things is their main thrust now
Not nearly on either point. Thanks for the speculation, though. Even without iOS products. We're not lighting cigars with $100 bills but please understand clearly that these two points couldn't be further from reality. Thank you for the quotation marks, though, that helps clarify that it is purely speculation.

On the 64-bit note, it is not in the interview and that's... big whoop. We don't just do things by guessing, we understand the KVR market's requests, the general market's requests (including previous, new, and potential customers) and make decisions based on that and many other factors.

I will post updates as I have them but this is not something I'll revisit daily except possibly to clarify something that's a bit our in left field as far as the longevity of the company I work for is concerned.

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[quote="Peter - IK Multimedia
On the 64-bit note, it is not in the interview and that's... big whoop. We don't just do things by guessing, we understand the KVR market's requests, the general market's requests (including previous, new, and potential customers) and make decisions based on that and many other factors.[/quote]

I think showing annoyance on this issue is strange, you at least get paid.
I assume Native Instruments dont know what they are doing as you and IK are perfect and omnipresent in every way.
I think that if you do post it should be in this thread, as it is the only place this IK multimedia(X64) is discussed and can be found though search engines. I am a customer who works in a 64 bit envoironment and am waiting for 64 bit upgrades as bridging does not work as well as it should. I will not stop until 64 bit is available because I need them, not because I want to annoy you.
One way to stop me would to put some information about this on your website and keep it updated, like a roadmap, it is the first place I always look. Or port the plugins asap please.

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NI knows their market, we hope we know ours. Not to mention the types of products that benefit most from 64-bit updates, upcoming products that we stated would be 64-bit, making sure all drivers (most important factor actually) were 64-bit, etc... I said nothing of the sort that we are omnipresent or better than anybody else. This is why I only update when I have information or when asked, because it blows up into very unrelated topics. There's no annoyance, I update when I can like I said. Thank you and we understand the requests made and I was simply stating that we're not ignoring anything or doing only iOS or an endangered company or any other unrelated guess about motives/operations. Things like that do need to be clarified.

Apologies if it sounds like annoyance, I'm simply stating what information I have and even trying to offer explanation while clarifying unrelated information that was not accurate.

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Just a little perspective; I am one of the biggest supporters of 64-bit. I hope, and want every plug-in I own to go 64-bit. I urge developers all the time to do so, and will continue to urge them to do so. Even though THEIR plug-ins may not benefit directly from the RAM benefits, they WILL benefit in the CPU arena because a bridge does take up CPU cycles every time it's initialized. Also, the less bridging that is needed, the more stable a system is likely to be. Less middle men. So there is a definite benefit to going 64-bit, no matter what type of plug-in you create. You can't buy an off the shelf system without 64-bit these days, and more and more plug-in devs are going that way. So I do get it, wanting 64-bit.

With that being said, I take issue with the argument that IK or any other company OWES anyone 64-bit. Saying that you are a current customer who is waiting for a 64-bit update is irrelevant. Future compatibility is rarely promised in a software license, and I'm fairly confident it's not promised here. A software company is not required to support a plug-in through a user's upgrades. They are only required to support the systems they list as supported WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT. A 64-bit upgrade is the choice of the user, and all risks that come with it. If IK chooses to update to 64-bit, they may. But nobody is being ripped off in any way if they don't. Not saying that anyone is claiming to be ripped off, but it does seem that way sometimes.

I have no idea if IK is planning on 64-bit support any time soon. I DO hope so, and will be the first to welcome them to the 64-bit world. But I won't hold it against IK or any other company for not doing so.

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(bites lip)

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Always a little disappointing to see so little interest in supporting you with adapting to modern technologies from someone who was so eager to take your money just a little while ago.

And yes, the "little interest" thing is speculation.
x64 operating systems have been available to the consumer market for at least 7 years when Microsoft finally introduced WinXP Pro x64 in 2003. I figure there must be little or no interest, if it takes THAT long to still not "jump on the train".
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I trying here folks, I'm really trying........

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I make the same observation over and over - its PC owners that scream for 64 bit, Mac owners are less vocal. PCs lead on the 64 bit support for plugs and yet its not enough. Interesting huh? No - I dont own a Mac.

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I emailed IK's support months ago asking about 64-bit Amplitube and T-Racks.. got sort of a run-around answer that lead me to believe that they have no immediate interest in updating their products in that direction.

I ended up going with Guitar Rig 4 Pro.. and am looking into Ozone 4 as well. both 64-bit.
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Its a free market - rather like choosing FL or Logic or Cubase - it makes no difference to the music but rather it is market perception.

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progtronic wrote:I emailed IK's support months ago asking about 64-bit Amplitube and T-Racks.. got sort of a run-around answer that led me to believe that they have no immediate interest in updating their products in that direction.

I ended up going with Guitar Rig 4 Pro.. and am looking into Ozone 4 as well. both 64-bit.
Guitar rig is great. The only thing I have to do with it is launch it with a good steep LP and get rid of everything at around 6k ish UP. Otherwise to my "not so good anymore" ears it's just to harsh.

I don't have to do that with IK, but then again GR does have quite a bit of "presence" so in some ways it makes sense.

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Well. If IK wants to not do the X64 thing then why should we worry about it? I really do not see a real need to jump on the X64 bandwagon either. Look at it this way---how long has XP been around? Some of us jumped to Vista and now there is W7. And still there are loads of us still using XP.

me? I'm on a dual boot XP/Vista laptop and a W7 desktop

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