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risome · Post by **risome** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:05 am

MickGael wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Ya it's crazy different pricing models. DIVA gives you 4 or 5 pretty much complete emulation under one product, which is half the price of one of Arturias synths. Just crazy.
Jupiter-8V2 sells for $199 USD. Diva sells for $179 USD.

I got my JP8V for $129 with a discount voucher

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:07 am

I'm interested in how the 'extra' non-Jupiter features are, and CPU use. If these are really good and I can find the synth for a nice price used, I wouldn't care so much if it is a perfect emulation of Jupiter 8. How is it CPU-wise? (I think I asked that already).

risome · Post by **risome** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:11 am

Very reasonable on Cpu 10/12% down to 5% on my iMac 2.8gHz dual core,

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:26 am

Kriminal wrote:None of those quotes are urs saying diva emulates a jp8, and the original labels were DEFINITELY jp4 & jp6.

Wow. Just wow.

If you're still in denial, open up DIVA and go to the "Templates" section in the presets, which are factory templates of the synths which those modules were modeled after.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:59 am

MickGael wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:Ya it's crazy different pricing models. DIVA gives you 4 or 5 pretty much complete emulation under one product, which is half the price of one of Arturias synths. Just crazy.
Jupiter-8V2 sells for $199 USD. Diva sells for $179 USD.

Ah, my bad. I was thinking of the advertised Arturia price of 250, and I got DIVA for 129 when it first came. Didn't think about the increased DIVA price and cheaper Arturia sales. But the point still stands.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:02 am

afreshcupofjoe wrote:It's amazing that some people like Kriminal won't give up even when they are proven wrong. It's like they have some sort of compulsion which causes them to continually delude themselves. Incredible.

its also 'amazing' YOU still havent shown me the documentation...

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:23 am

Kriminal wrote:
afreshcupofjoe wrote:It's amazing that some people like Kriminal won't give up even when they are proven wrong. It's like they have some sort of compulsion which causes them to continually delude themselves. Incredible.
its also 'amazing' YOU still havent shown me the documentation...

That Diva ships with an initiation patch for "Jupe 8" seems like documentation in its own right to me

and it seems pretty obvious how Urs sidestepped mentioning Roland directly by calling them "that Japanese company that makes synthesis named after Greek gods" indicates strongly that he is avoiding saying it directly, I assume to avoid legal challenges. I really don't know how much more documentation you would need to connect the dots.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:45 am

braj wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
afreshcupofjoe wrote:It's amazing that some people like Kriminal won't give up even when they are proven wrong. It's like they have some sort of compulsion which causes them to continually delude themselves. Incredible.
its also 'amazing' YOU still havent shown me the documentation...
That Diva ships with an initiation patch for "Jupe 8" seems like documentation in its own right to me and it seems pretty obvious how Urs sidestepped mentioning Roland directly by calling them "that Japanese company that makes synthesis named after Greek gods" indicates strongly that he is avoiding saying it directly, I assume to avoid legal challenges. I really don't know how much more documentation you would need to connect the dots.

Exactly. I remember i had to rename some of my Jupiter 8 factory sounds for Diva as a guide line was not to use words like e.g. "Jupiter 8" but i was allowed to use just "Jupiter" or "JP-8" instead.

I still wonder where Kriminal found a reference to the Jupiter 4 as i hear this for the first time (and i followed the Diva thread before the first public beta started). I have also not seen a JP-4 in any of the pictures of Urs' studio but there are a Jupiter 8, Jupiter 6 and Juno-60.

Ingo

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:48 am

Does Arturia license the images and names for the synths they emulate? I would guess so, and it could even be Jupiter 8 isn't mentioned in the documentation to avoid conflicts with Arturia as much as Roland.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:02 am

Black coffee for me please

havent seen factory presets so csnt comment, never use them so they get deleted.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:14 am

Kriminal wrote: havent seen factory presets so csnt comment, never use them so they get deleted.

There are currently 1350+ of them (maybe some are duplicates so it could be there are "only" around 1200+ really different ones) and so far i have not managed to check them all due to the sheer amount. Most of them were "collected" during the public beta (see "THIRD PARTY" folder) and those from Howard Scarr are just excellent as always. Michael Kastrup and Xenos contributed some excellent stuff too.

The sheer amount of factory sounds and the fact that i already contributed a bunch of'my own ones were leading to the decision that i first program sounds for other synths before i return doing more sounds for Diva but i will do that for sure, especially as the CPU use is improved now.

BTW two of the init patches (in "TEMPLATES" folder) are called "INIT Jupe-6.h2p" and "INIT Jupe-8.h2p".

Ingo

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:25 am

You make presets do you?

like i said, i havent heard a single patch by anyone else, all factory sounds get deleted after install.

Anyway, work to do, busy busy. enjoy your day.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:48 am

"Fernando's Hardware Factory' in the Third Party bank is a good starting place for tweaking your own Roland sounds, created from the original factory soundbanks of various Juno and Jupiter synths.

Anyhow, this thread is supposed to be about Arturia's version

besides not being as good as Diva in Jupiter emulation (so it seems) I doubt it is a bad synth, especially if you can get a deal on it.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:57 am

Why would you delete the factory presets? There are a lot of excellent ones and yeah I can see if you are a sound designed that you want to focus on your own, but doesn't the work of others interest you at all? I find great joy in going through the ones you sound designers create, especially some of the names that get chosen

BTW Ingo has one called 'Horny Jupiter

that made me smile.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:10 am

Ive spoken to an expert, and its possible i made an error, so aplogies to all concerned
genuine mistake, human error.

Jupiter 8 V 2.5