another nice example
http://hyakken.moo.jp/WordPress/product/nanopatch/
✔ Step Sequencer Device... [Bitwig]
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- KVRAF
- 10128 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
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- KVRAF
- 4803 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
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- KVRian
- 990 posts since 28 Apr, 2002 from Canada
For me one of the advantages a step sequencer has to the bitwig drum rack or other sampler plugin (like phalanx) is being able to drag and drop a sample in a row that aligns with the note data. Keeps things very simple and easy to remember when dragging in and sequencing a bunch of drum samples. A couple of good examples of step sequencers that have this ability are FL Studio & Maschine. This simple feature is a huge workflow enhancer, it gets a little annoying to drop samples down in the drum rack and then come up to the piano roll and remember which row is which sample.
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- KVRAF
- 26930 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
It's not so different... and Bitwig and Live are similar that way... I can use my Push and record various clips on the fly on different tracks, turn them on and off, swap between them etc... and it works as a step sequencer and one can turn notes on and off, change the notes, modulate stuff in realtime and so on.Ogopogo wrote:But the session view allows you to trigger a sequence with one action, so what's so different? And with 1.2 you will be able to freely assign the triggering of clips to midi notes and keyboard keys.
I have close to a dozen step sequencers in Live (M4L) and once I got my Push I've never used a one of them again.
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- KVRAF
- 26930 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
That seems to me then to be impetus to improve the drum rack rather than make a new devicetoby wrote:For me one of the advantages a step sequencer has to the bitwig drum rack or other sampler plugin (like phalanx) is being able to drag and drop a sample in a row that aligns with the note data. Keeps things very simple and easy to remember when dragging in and sequencing a bunch of drum samples. A couple of good examples of step sequencers that have this ability are FL Studio & Maschine. This simple feature is a huge workflow enhancer, it gets a little annoying to drop samples down in the drum rack and then come up to the piano roll and remember which row is which sample.
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- KVRian
- 990 posts since 28 Apr, 2002 from Canada
Indeed, the simple feature of being able to drag a sample from the browser to the note in the piano roll would accomplish this, but a few issues with that would arise - what happens if a synth or vst is loaded into that note of the drum machine? what if it is a layered sampler?pdxindy wrote:
That seems to me then to be impetus to improve the drum rack rather than make a new device
Also a few piano roll improvements would be needed to really improve the experience.
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- KVRian
- 990 posts since 28 Apr, 2002 from Canada
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
An Important topic, and thank you for bringing this up.
As stated earlier,
We could have a Step Sequencing environment with the capabilities of Tracking Software like FT2
That is the best step sequencer ever created, combining all the features from hardware and software sequencers
Simple, and easy to use, and because of that, the most musical piece of hands on editing
Bitwig could lead the world with a feature like that, just saying.... many people would port over to Bitwig immediately, were this section of sequencing properly addressed ( it has not been in any other DAW yet, so there is an area that bitwig can really shine in )
There are many people, still longing for the quick and musical editability of sequencers like Roland W30 used to compose Prodigy albums, and the AKAI Sequencing environment used to compose most of the OldSchool BreakBeats sampled in most of the todays drum&Bass music.
So simply chopping the beats is not enough, we need a proper way of handling those drumhits in a musical fashion.
Implementing the core functions of FT2, has all that any Step Editor ever has had to offer, which is why approach like that is the most beneficial for everyone.
As stated earlier,
We could have a Step Sequencing environment with the capabilities of Tracking Software like FT2
That is the best step sequencer ever created, combining all the features from hardware and software sequencers
Simple, and easy to use, and because of that, the most musical piece of hands on editing
Bitwig could lead the world with a feature like that, just saying.... many people would port over to Bitwig immediately, were this section of sequencing properly addressed ( it has not been in any other DAW yet, so there is an area that bitwig can really shine in )
There are many people, still longing for the quick and musical editability of sequencers like Roland W30 used to compose Prodigy albums, and the AKAI Sequencing environment used to compose most of the OldSchool BreakBeats sampled in most of the todays drum&Bass music.
So simply chopping the beats is not enough, we need a proper way of handling those drumhits in a musical fashion.
Implementing the core functions of FT2, has all that any Step Editor ever has had to offer, which is why approach like that is the most beneficial for everyone.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
Simply put,
Step Sequencing needs to be something that you do not need to raise your hand to touch the mouse on.
Then it has been implemented in the most musical fashion, when the user is able to navigate all the instruments and step record them in a timely manner without touching the mouse.
This was the idea of the original Hardware StepSequencers, which is what a proper step sequencer would beat in musicality.
No mouse... just sequencing. With the ability to use the mouse, if the user wants to is combining the best of both worlds.
I hope this idea gets across, because this is one of the most important features for software, and i think Bitwig crew is the only posse who got the guts to take the music production systems to the next level
( they already taken it to the next level, and trust me bitwig will be the biggest software sequencer in the next few years, and adding features like this would only provide an even more solid foundation for the success that is already underway )
Step Sequencing needs to be something that you do not need to raise your hand to touch the mouse on.
Then it has been implemented in the most musical fashion, when the user is able to navigate all the instruments and step record them in a timely manner without touching the mouse.
This was the idea of the original Hardware StepSequencers, which is what a proper step sequencer would beat in musicality.
No mouse... just sequencing. With the ability to use the mouse, if the user wants to is combining the best of both worlds.
I hope this idea gets across, because this is one of the most important features for software, and i think Bitwig crew is the only posse who got the guts to take the music production systems to the next level
( they already taken it to the next level, and trust me bitwig will be the biggest software sequencer in the next few years, and adding features like this would only provide an even more solid foundation for the success that is already underway )
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
Because what helps musicians create the best music, the musicians will tell other musicians about.
Success guaranteed for everyone, and enjoyment for the people on the dancefloor - and people chilling in their car or at home listening to the music.
Success guaranteed for everyone, and enjoyment for the people on the dancefloor - and people chilling in their car or at home listening to the music.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
Honestly with the intelligent approach i see in Bitwig,
The Bitwig Crew could probably do even better than Fastracker2 in terms of the speed and editability of beats.
I am sure they will come up with something awesome, should they decide to take a look at how to musically do this.
The Bitwig Crew could probably do even better than Fastracker2 in terms of the speed and editability of beats.
I am sure they will come up with something awesome, should they decide to take a look at how to musically do this.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
The only thing that needs to be taken into consideration is how to change the track or instrument you are editing, in the DAW, without needing to touch the mouse, and how to navigate the parts in the song with the keyboard without having to touch the mouse.
( alongside the obvious step editing of notes in parts themselves )
Those are the main features of Step Sequencing, that most other software developers have so far overlooked. And those are the feautures present in the real Step Sequencers of W30 and AKAI etc....
Real HandsOn Quick Editing of your song, kind of like zooming into your song, and fine tuning everything manually. This is the way prodigy s experience was composed, and you can really hear the flow liam howlett had in that album in many ways because of the ease of use of the step sequencing platform....
The hype truly is not for nothing, and it has a great impact on the workflow, and the musicality of what is produced.
Implementing true step sequencing in Bitwig with the computer keyboard, i believe it would be a good idea to widen the scope of notes available for playing the sounds, as now it is only one octave. Maybe the users could switch this to a wider scope of keyrange, when step edit mode is on.
( alongside the obvious step editing of notes in parts themselves )
Those are the main features of Step Sequencing, that most other software developers have so far overlooked. And those are the feautures present in the real Step Sequencers of W30 and AKAI etc....
Real HandsOn Quick Editing of your song, kind of like zooming into your song, and fine tuning everything manually. This is the way prodigy s experience was composed, and you can really hear the flow liam howlett had in that album in many ways because of the ease of use of the step sequencing platform....
The hype truly is not for nothing, and it has a great impact on the workflow, and the musicality of what is produced.
Implementing true step sequencing in Bitwig with the computer keyboard, i believe it would be a good idea to widen the scope of notes available for playing the sounds, as now it is only one octave. Maybe the users could switch this to a wider scope of keyrange, when step edit mode is on.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 26 Aug, 2011
And having written all of this, i just realized Bitwig Has Much Of This already implemented.
"doh"
Thank you BITWIG....!
"doh"
Thank you BITWIG....!
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 21 Aug, 2015
Just make a device similar to FL Studios step sequencer it's dope and simple. The only thing I actually like about FL Studio.