Anyone use Wusik synths?

[chaosWyrM]

i dont know why people are giving bbfg# a hard time. as a paying customer of wusik products i absolutely agree with him.

v7 is dead. no one said it doesnt work, or that it cant make beautiful sounds. its dead because its no longer supported and still has bugs. how does it make sense to pay for a broken product knowing full well that

1. it isnt gong to be fixed

and 2. the "new" product is replacing it?

had i known that 4000 WAS NOT the new product...i woundlt have bought it.

now im basically stuck with 2 dead products. and one of them is brand new.

sure, i knew what v7 was when i got it...but it was included with my purchase of 4000, i certainly woulndt have bought it otherwise. what i didnt know was that 4000 was going to be shut down literally weeks after it was released, and that what i was lead to believe i was buying was now a new NEW product called wusik 8000 that i was expected to pay more money for.

i was sold a new product that included an unsupported old product for free. what i got was 2 unsupported old products.

not cool.

[fandango]

[ edit - looks like chaosWyrM got in before me ]

I really like Wusikstation, it's an excellent synth full of possibilities. But I decided to step off the Wusik upgrade train for similar reasons to BBFG#. After a while I felt like I was funding a lifestyle rather than a developer. To get into Wusik 8000 at this point is to count down the clock until the dev gets bored and decides to start Wusik 16000, or Wusik Type-R, or Wusik Return of the Wusik, or whatever new flavour of the month is going to be. BBFG# getting an unfair bashing here, imho. Sycophancy reaching near Scientology levels...

[glokraw]

When someone knows they are posting an opinion that will stir the pot,
then they should prepare for discussion. There are no beatings in text editors.

Why not also go to http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=177407

and cherrypick from among the multitudes of products that are no longer supported,
yet still eagerly sought out, even begged for, and then enjoyed, bugs, limitations,
and bit inferiority included.

I think it is absurd to think that the sudden switch from 4000 to 8000 was whimsical.
There was probably some infrastructure discovery in code to take advantage of.
And the bent noses people get because William is not always a brilliant marketeer,
are usually straightened out by one of the many sales, soundsets, and specialty functions provided.

I like the idea of independant mad scientists occasionally innovating.
And what's with the lifestyle envy? We all know wusik is coded in an ocean view villa,
with servants, chauffeur, and dancing girls to test the new modulations.
The boys from Berlin are just sick with jealousy over Will's Ferrari

[chaosWyrM]

When someone knows they are posting an opinion that will stir the pot,
then they should prepare for discussion. There are no beatings in text editors.

Why not also go to http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=177407

and cherrypick from among the multitudes of products that are no longer supported,
yet still eagerly sought out, even begged for, and then enjoyed, bugs, limitations,
and bit inferiority included.

I think it is absurd to think that the sudden switch from 4000 to 8000 was whimsical.
There was probably some infrastructure discovery in code to take advantage of.
And the bent noses people get because William is not always a brilliant marketeer,
are usually straightened out by one of the many sales, soundsets, and specialty functions provided.

I like the idea of independant mad scientists occasionally innovating.
And what's with the lifestyle envy? We all know wusik is coded in an ocean view villa,
with servants, chauffeur, and dancing girls to test the new modulations.
The boys from Berlin are just sick with jealousy over Will's Ferrari

im not sure where anyone said the switch was "whimsical". in fact i dont think it was whimsical at all. i think it was a calculated and deliberate money grab. you seem to be missing the point. wusik 4000 wasnt even a week old when we were told it was being pushed out for the so called 8000. which we all know is just the full completed 4000 re branded for more $$$.

either it was an intentional misleading of people to make them think they were getting a new product which would be around for at least a little while, where a deliberate decision was made to split the new synth into 2 synths that needed to be purchased separately...

OR

it was a "whimsical" decision...plucked from the air like a butterfly.

thats kind of the point.

it was a shady bait and switch that left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths...and im one of those people.

and just in case someone out there isnt familiar with the term:

bait-and-switch
noun
noun: bait-and-switch

the action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.


someone tell me thats not exactly what happened with 4000. go ahead.

[Numanoid]

i dont know why people are giving bbfg# a hard time. as a paying customer of wusik products i absolutely agree with him.

Too many threads of late turn into some kind of crusade for users who have an issue with a dev.

The OP is about whether or not Wusik products can sound like Roland D-50, not their support.

[bigcat1969]

Seeing this thread, I went and kicked up WusikStation. I got it on the Christmas auction, so kudos to them for participating in that which is a great fundraiser. I'm generally an acoustic guy, so I think this isn't really for me. I tried importing instruments to some midis and playing them and comparing them to other acoustic type sounds I already have. This fell down on Drums as I can't seem to find a GM Drumset anywhere. This might be unfair but for Orchestral, Rock or Country it doesn't really stack up against Kontakt factory or ST3. Even ST2 and Dim Pro seem better and certainly better organized. Against things that I use as my 'best' instruments (I'm relatively poor) Komplete 9, Kirk Hunter Orchestra, Addictive Keys, EZ Drummer, Strawberry Guitar, well not in the same league not really playing the same game...
My ears are suspect, I still think the ST3 choirs sound fun ;P and I recently released a less than well received guitar that I though sounded fine so... but the instruments I give away for Kontakt using Public Domain and Creative Commons samples sound better to my ears than those included in Wusikstation, forgive me. The sounds just seem disorganized and not comparable with commercial releases in the current era.
On the synth front I suspect it is much better.

[planetearth]

i dont know why people are giving bbfg# a hard time. as a paying customer of wusik products i absolutely agree with him.

Too many threads of late turn into some kind of crusade for users who have an issue with a dev.

The OP is about whether or not Wusik products can sound like Roland D-50, not their support.

Right.

And to that end, I tried the patches last night that Teksonik created and posted here. Instant D-50...and a smile!

I also tried a few of the others that came with v7 and again, they do sound nice...just not inspiring. And, as usual, after auditioning a dozen or so, Wusikstation v7 crashed Sonar X3. (It used to routinely crash X1 and X2, all 64-bit versions.)

But for a little while, it sounded kinda nice....

Steve

[planetearth]

The sounds just seem disorganized and not comparable with commercial releases in the current era.
On the synth front I suspect it is much better.

The sounds are a bit of a grab-bag, with multiple categories "organized" by developer (instead of by sound). This can make it difficult to compare all the electric piano sounds or bass sounds, for example, especially when you consider most of them are not uniquely labeled ("Elec. Piano 1", "Elec. Piano 2", "Acid Bass 1", 'Acid Bass 2", etc.). You have to jump back and forth between developer or groups of sounds to find the patches, and yes, they do sound like they were more or less cobbled together. They're not bad, though. They just don't inspire me. That is, they don't get much of a chance to inspire me...before Wusikstation crashes after auditioning a few of them.

Steve

[BBFG#]

Supposedly they have a D50 sound. I'm curious for anyone who has experience with any of them. A sale still seems to be running for all of them.

This is something I answered (subjectively of course) quite a while ago on this thread.
TBH, almost everything made today has some part of it that sounds like a D-50 depending on the particular D-50 sounds you're talking about. But as far as an overall character and academics of its structure and synthesis methods, I would put WusikStaiton at something more like a Korg M1 Than a D50. I liked the WusikStation and think its a real shame that William decided to sell it off as an 'as-is legacy' product.

The OP did ask about 'them' though. not just WusikStation.
EVE is something I never clicked with and also never really used. Sounds seemed okay, but I definitely have other VIs that do what I know of it much better. The fact that it is and will remain 32 bit means its not a very good investment into your sound and possible work flow though. And I am of the opinion that William could benefit more by giving it away at this point as Tone 2 did with their Firebird. Definitely would increase his exposure in a good way.

Wusik 4000, and I too noticed immediately that 4000 version 2 was announced before 4000 version one was even at a stage where anyone thought it was complete. But again, I didn't really click with this one either due to its sound character. The fact that it continued to have issues in working up until 1.0.6 really started to wear on a some of us. Especially when their 'sales' were dumping it and the only pushed seemed for more money while making it 'done enough to move on'.

Yes, I jumped off the train of what felt like I was giving someone an advance on their allowance.
Since 4000 version 2, now named Wusik 8000 is in the works, and because he now has a regular history of calling something done and asking for money for something not already on the market I've simply decided the best tact to take with this company is to wait until that product is officially released and make any decision on it with its complete manifestation and not a concept unrealized requiring more funding. I have nothing really against any of the current three synths. You either like them or you don't. And one of them I did like. It's a shame he can't be bothered perfecting it any longer and if anything kills it, its that.

The concept of 8000 as the developer has stated, is suppose to be the next generation of the one synth I liked from him. And if the concept really manifests into that, I will definitely check it out.
But I won't buy anything from him that hasn't reached that stage yet and that concept, by its projections, kills the other two.

Again, to the OP, best to wait and see what 8000 is like once it gets released.
(Or bid/buy the bundle in the auction since it helps the kids).

[BBFG#]

i dont know why people are giving bbfg# a hard time. as a paying customer of wusik products i absolutely agree with him.

Too many threads of late turn into some kind of crusade for users who have an issue with a dev.
The OP is about whether or not Wusik products can sound like Roland D-50, not their support.

The issue is not with the developer, but their business practices.
Live and learn, and the lesson is to wait for an actual completed product.

[chaosWyrM]

i dont know why people are giving bbfg# a hard time. as a paying customer of wusik products i absolutely agree with him.

Too many threads of late turn into some kind of crusade for users who have an issue with a dev.

The OP is about whether or not Wusik products can sound like Roland D-50, not their support.

really? lets see:

"Supposedly they have a D50 sound. I'm curious for anyone who has experience with any of them. A sale still seems to be running for all of them."

a statement was made about them supposedly sounding like a d-5o, then in a separate sentence another statement was made...a statement that didnt mention a d-50 at all, it was was about peoples "experience". then a third statement about sales. theres no actual question being asked at all.

so, seems to me there are at least three appropriate things to discuss, if they sound like a d-50 is only one of those things.

[zerocrossing]

Wusikstation is an awesome synth capable of incredible sounds. I think it's highly underrated and overlooked. Perhaps because it's more at home making amazing soundscapes and textures than Tarnce and EDM although of course in the right hands could easily fit many genres. Say what you will about Wusik as a company and William as a person but he's been very good to me over the years and in private is a very nice person.

I haven't had much time to work with Wusik 4 K yet but it seems like it's going to be everything WS was and more as it matures into Wusik 8K.

By the way I did some D-50 style patches for Wusikstation using the Famous Keys sample sets including an homage to the famous...or infamous... "Native Dance". They can be found in the Banks and Patches section here.

http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=1095

This is more or less how I feel. I got an earlier version of Wusikstation for something crazy like $2 USD in some group buy thing. I was just starting to use plug-ins and it was nice having at the time. I found other things that suited me more and drifted away from using it, but there's no doubt I got my money's worth.

My only criticism, like others, is that William is a bit of a "used car salesman" in the way he markets his synths. In all honesty, I think it comes back to bite him in the butt and makes his instruments seem cheap and just a way to keep extracting money from their users. If his instruments were crappy, I'd be more vocal about it, but they're decent and he has calmed down a lot over the years. I remember there was a time when it seemed like there was a constant barrage of marketing from him which was treading into spam territory. I think if he treated his own creations with a bit more reverence, the community would follow and they'd become one of the more talked about and used plug ins on KVR.

Anyway, I recently bit on the deal where I got everything for $79.95 USD. (I got the upgrade price even though the original one was next to free to me) You can say what you want about it, but it's quite a value. I found no bugs so far and I love the way he's taking wavetable stuff from a more Korgesque kind of stance (wave sequencing) instead of the usual Waldorf style.

[trimph1]

Again with the Axe to grind.

The OP was just about the d50 sound. Which I like the sound of in wusik's instrument.

If there are going to be discussions or speculative arguments about wusik's business practices then post a different thread....

[BBFG#]

Again with the Axe to grind.
The OP was just about the d50 sound. Which I like the sound of in wusik's instrument.
If there are going to be discussions or speculative arguments about wusik's business practices then post a different thread....

There's no grinding here. The OP asked about sound, user experience, and mentioned the sale.

Three things, not one, which have been explained factually by that experience, not speculatively.

'Speculative' only relates to 8000 as it isn't released.
So I advise the OP to wait and see and pass on this 'sale'.
Or bid/buy in the auction the whole bundle and put the money to a good cause.

And I tend to agree wholeheartedly with this:

I think if he treated his own creations with a bit more reverence, the community would follow and they'd become one of the more talked about and used plug ins on KVR.

[dnekm]

I think if people could separate how they feel about William and how he runs his business from their thoughts on the instrument itself - it would make these discussions easier....