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MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sun May 31, 2015 4:22 pm

Maybe ask the question on a Halion forum as it sounds rather Halion specific to me.

AndreasD · Post by **AndreasD** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:15 pm

janhardo wrote:I don't see it yet how to get more then 16 midi channels in Mulab..?
Halion 5 has a lot flexphrases to get a realistic sound in the soundmodule..all flexphrases can be exported as a midi file in Mulab ( if you do this ..bypass (off) the flexphrase unit in HALion5)

I don't have Halion but Halion Sonic.
It only allows 16 instruments at one time. If you need more, create a new Halion instance.
If you need 100 flex phrase sequences in Mulab then you can do that despite midi channels. You have to send the sequences to a Halion instrument and that is done by giving the sequences or tracks the relevant midi channel. And those are limited by Halion. Limited at 16.
If you need 100 instruments, you create 7 instances of Halion and target the first 16 tracks to Halion Instance 1 with using 16 midi tracks, target the next 16 tracks to Halion Instance 2 using (again) 16 midi channels on the respective tracks, the next 16 tracks to Halion Instance 3 etc, etc.

There is no need to use more than 16 midi channels inside Mulab.
And besides, I would not see a difference between e.g.:
Midi_block_1:Channel_1
Midi_block_1:Channel_2
or
Halion_Instance_1:Channel_1
Halion_Instance_2:Channel_2

janhardo · Post by **janhardo** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:37 pm

Thanks!
As i understand ..Mulab cannot offer more than 16 midi channels ( the suggestion to add a second MUX with a midi splitter is not working? )
16 midi channels are enough for composing in MUlab, but some people need more.

The idea of a flexphrase in HALion is that it can provide a midi phrase what has a sophisticated sound design.
It is possible to record these flexphrase from a existing sound in HALion5/Sonic (if it is a flexphrased sound) in the flexphraser module as user and drag this file from the flexphrase module into MUlab as building composition blocks.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:50 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI

janhardo · Post by **janhardo** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:57 pm

Thanks, but i want only know how many midi channels i can make in Mulab that's all..how simple can it be

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:11 pm

Pls start with studying the basics. Then you'll know a MIDI port only supports 16 channels.

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:20 pm

I think you are still getting confused between midi channels and audio outs, you cannot have more than 16 midi channels in any Daw any extra channels that "seem" to be there are psuedo channels and are handled internally by whatever multi timbral instrument is loaded.
yes, Mulab can handle all 16

janhardo · Post by **janhardo** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:49 pm

Its getting confusing now...
The idea was to get 32 midi channels in Mulab..i know already that a midi port supports up to 16 midi channels.
HALion5 has 4 assignable midi ports A,B,C and E and the idea was to use 32 midi channels in Mulab..that's all.

If you say that you cannot more have then 16 midi channels in any DAW..was it not that i can get 64 midi channels with HALion 5 in Cubase? ..correct me when i am wrong.
I checked this Cubase7.5 .. and assigned there 16 midi channels on midi port A and one midi channel on port B .. so i can make there 64 midi channels with HALion 5.
Mulab supports not the multi midi ports in HAlion5 so it has a max of 16 midi channels.

HALIon5 as VST has 32 audio outs on the mixer ..then you could mix inside HALion 32 midi channels ..in Cubase up to 64 midi channels ..the mixer shows there 64 audio outputs..as i understand it now.

Mulab and Cubase are different DAW's and they stand on their own, both are fantastic

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:24 am

If you only make music inside of your computer, you do not need to be concerned about midi channels for most of the time. Making a track control an instrument is most of the time via midi channel 1. You could have any number of tracks control any number of instruments, while each of these tracks and instruments are set to communicate via midi channel 1.
Only in a studio environment with external instruments such as synthesizers or effects or anything that gets controlled via midi would you have to worry about midi channels.

There are only a handful of VST instruments that can benefit from being controlled by multiple midi channels, but even these could work just fine, if you made individual instances per track and kept all instances on midi channel 1.

TRACK001 - "bassline" - midi 01 - (vst) Halion
TRACK002 - "drums" - midi 01 - (vst) Kontakt
TRACK003 - "pad" - midi 01 - (vst) MUX
... and so on and so on...
TRACK066 - "piano" - midi 01 - (vst) Kontakt
...
TRACK132 - "harp" - midi 01 - (vst) Podolski
...
TRACK899 - "choir" - midi 01 - (vst) Unique

You really don't need to be concerned about midi channels ever. People could make entire symphonies or musicals with a DAW without ever knowing there were midi channels to choose from.

I'm not sure, if that was really clear, yet?

janhardo · Post by **janhardo** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:43 pm

Thanks!

amazing that all sounds can be set on one midi channel

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:12 pm

Not really. It's just a number. Whether it means anything is entirely down to what's processing the event message. There's no intrinsic meaning that cannot be violated without triggering the sudden heatdeath of the universe or anything.

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:16 pm

I totally understand how strange the transition is from a rather traditional studio to an entire studio in a box. I've started some 26 years ago with my own little home studio, gradually buying more and more gear, collecting a stunning amount of midi cables, hahaha, not to mention all the freaking cables...

...but, yeah, once it became possible to leave all this stuff in the garage and just use one computer I was rather skeptical at first, mostly because machines weren't that powerful then, but soon all limits began to vanish, starting with polyphony and ending with variety. There is still something to be said about "real" gear, qualities in famous synths that somehow can't quite be replicated. But whether that is subconscious or really measurable, I can't tell.
Anyway, on the computer everything is but flows of data, you know. As long as processors can do all necessary computations, the routing of data is not restricted in any way that would have to concern you. Yes, yes, sure, there are certain limits for everything, but they are not related to the amount of targets any data can be directed to.
If you have a powerful contemporary computer, you may never run into any troubles unless you try very, very hard, haha.

So, yeah, there's a pretty massive new world of possibilities to discover and explore for all of us and it's only getting better (in that respect!).

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:22 pm

@janhardo
Does this mean you have been able to do what you required ?

janhardo · Post by **janhardo** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:04 pm

@bibz1st.. Its now possible to get more than 16 instrument tracks by assigning the same midi channel over and over again.
I don't know how about midi export ?, but as audio file export i presume it doesn't matter
Could not follow @pljones ..as he speaks in astronomical terms..

Taron · Post by **Taron** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:12 pm

...astronomical terms...

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