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incubus · Post by **incubus** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:06 am

Ah, so it's as bad as I thought?

Ok, I knew this "super moon" thing had a bumpy ride, but didn't know it knocked the earth off tilt completely.

But I get it now. Why wasn't there an announcement made?

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:38 am

incubus wrote:Obviously the "it's fine here" people (which seem to be a fair bit less than people who are upset) are convinced that everything bad that happens is that persons fault and they just like to complain.

Why not just lock these f**king things instead of them droning on? Neither side of the war is going to win. Most of the time the tripe is just locked and then which ever side they are on, won't feel the need to defend themselves

C'mon man, you know as well as anyone that these threads drone on even longer when you continue to post in them trying to get people worked up. Seriously, if you want them to die, then don't post. Simple enough, eh? What are you hoping to accomplish? I'm guessing you really don't mind them droning on as long as you can remind everyone how bad you think Sonar is. But the whole noble cause of wanting the thread to be locked so it can't keep going isn't convincing in any way.

This thread is posted by somebody (most likely a sock puppet) who obviously had no interest in figuring out a problem, but just wanted to get a dig in at Cakewalk. In this case, people saying "it works fine here" is a completely relevant reply. Why? Because if the feature was inherently broken, it wouldn't work for anyone. If it works on some systems (or most systems, as is likely the case here), then it means there could be specific incompatibilities with certain systems. Should people not post their positive experience, which can possibly help narrow down problems? Should only people who hate Cakewalk be allowed to post their problems?

These things are rarely as bad as the trolls say, and rarely as good as the fanboys say. If you believe it is, you are probably on one extreme or the other. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. You have no way you could possibly know how well Cakewalk is doing, or if there are more unhappy people than happy people, etc. This is just truth. If you DO have evidence that doesn't include "I noticed more bad threads than good", please, feel free to reveal. The Cakewalk forums have always been a little ridiculous, and far more Cakewalk users are off the forums than there are on. I don't go there, and my experience with newer versions of Cakewalk has been just fine. I know other Sonar users who never go there, but upgrade every time because they enjoy it. So you, nor I, couldn't possibly know how things really are.

I really don't care what people use, or if they don't like a host. But there comes a time where you just need to get over it and move on. Grow up, even. You can't complain that these threads go on too long when you are one of the reasons they do.

I'm not a Sonar apologist, nor am I a hater. I have mixed feelings about it, which I've posted elsewhere already. But I just don't understand why it is your personal mission to destroy Sonar. You don't like it. Everyone knows. Reminders are not necessary unless you really are just wanting to troll for no reason, are they?

Brent

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:57 am

The OP joined KVR over 3 years ago. I see it more as frustrated customer than sock puppet. I know I've been mad enough at a company to want to shout it from the rooftops.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:05 am

telecharge wrote:The OP joined KVR over 3 years ago. I see it more as frustrated customer than sock puppet. I know I've been mad enough at a company to want to shout it from the rooftops.

Who knows. We have had people in the past who registered alternate accounts and used them later for trolling. It wouldn't be the first time.

The OP was obviously not interested in fixing the problem or even discussing it regardless. In the end, my post was more about the absurdity of all the "extra" stuff in this thread and elsewhere.

Brent

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:13 am

koolkeys wrote:[quote="telecharge" In the end, my post was more about the absurdity of all the "extra" stuff in this thread and elsewhere.

No argument there. I agree with most of your post. The assumption of sock puppetry just rustled my jimmies a little.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:24 am

telecharge wrote:
koolkeys wrote:[quote="telecharge" In the end, my post was more about the absurdity of all the "extra" stuff in this thread and elsewhere.
No argument there. I agree with most of your post. The assumption of sock puppetry just rustled my jimmies a little.

It could be a wrong assumption. It was just speculation on my part. I really don't know. LOL, my bad if he isn't.

Brent

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:30 am

I look at it this way. Is it really that far fetched that a KVR member of 3+ years who never posted in the forums got PISSED OFF enough to write that? As someone who has struggled getting support through official Cakewalk channels, it doesn't seem odd to me.

And giving the benefit of the doubt, look at how the OP was attacked straight away. Could you blame anyone for bailing on this thread?

jinotsuh · Post by **jinotsuh** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:45 am

telecharge wrote:
And giving the benefit of the doubt, look at how the OP was attacked straight away. Could you blame anyone for bailing on this thread?

The OP posted a very similar, perhaps even identical post to this on the Cakewalk Forums at the time he posted this one here, originally under another name which was the same as the name then used on the Cakewalk Forums, which he changed since making the original post here (maybe still here in any quotes of his/her original post, don't know couldn't be bothered looking back)

What I can remember (I think) from the post on the Cakewalk Forums is that it wasn't well received (big surprise there) and he may have got the old "Smack Down SONAR style" early on by the brethren, from what I recall it was no surprise he never returned to that thread because he was hammered strait away in an almost knee jerk reaction regardless of whether his complaints were valid or not, I don't think he was given the chance. Anyway troll or not I have seen it happen many times there, they don't wait to find out, and quite a number of times I believe myself the recipient most likely wasn't a troll but had legitimate grievances, it's just that the poor poster didn't bow down at the alter of Cakewalk to the satisfaction of the brethren, which unfortunately makes one a troll or worse instantly. They like their back slapping, and mutual admiration society type stuff there, none of this other nonsense, regardless of if it's the truth, it disrupts the force, and we can't have that.

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:21 am

Also of note, the first person who replied to the OP has been BANNED.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:56 am

telecharge wrote:Also of note, the first person who replied to the OP has been BANNED.

why is that of note?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:10 pm

incubus wrote:Obviously the "it's fine here" people (which seem to be a fair bit less than people who are upset) are convinced that everything bad that happens is that persons fault and they just like to complain.

No, there are two reasons people would say 'its fine here.' There are those who are convinced that everything bad is that that person's fault, and those who merely want to point out that its not ubiquitously bad.

And of course, in reality the latter are more likely to be in the majority, despite the one-sided presentation of those, like yourself, who constantly and repeatedly attribute malignity to anyone trying to give any alternative perspective to your persistent demagoguery. Its not such a wonder there are 'a fair bit less' people putting their head above the parapet and saying it out loud, when the accusation is so predictable and so interminable; drown them out, then blame them. Rinse, repeat until they dont bother trying any more.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:05 pm

telecharge wrote:I look at it this way. Is it really that far fetched that a KVR member of 3+ years who never posted in the forums got PISSED OFF enough to write that? As someone who has struggled getting support through official Cakewalk channels, it doesn't seem odd to me.

And giving the benefit of the doubt, look at how the OP was attacked straight away. Could you blame anyone for bailing on this thread?

No, it isn't out of the question. Of course that could be his mindset and reasoning. But he hasn't returned, and to me, didn't seem like he was interested in actually fixing the problem.

But honestly, despite his reasonings, whether his gripe was legitimate or not, or whatever, my biggest problem is still with the whole bickering about Sonar users and their motives, and the continued trolling and making things up. The OP just happened to be a post that IMO goes along with that narrative. So I'm suspicious. I could be wrong. But I'm suspicious.

Brent

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:19 pm

flugel45 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
telecharge wrote:Also of note, the first person who replied to the OP has been BANNED.
why is that of note?
It's not.

It's notable to me because I have not followed the KVR forum soap opera. We may just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:28 pm

okay, first the op, let me say from what I can see is that he has not returned since making this post. I suspect that he came, he vented and he left much like jinotsuh said. If he has another account is another story but there is no evidence of one (these things can be fudged I believe but that would be a lot to go through for one post) and I suspect he has not even seen these responses.

Second, the issue of one member hitting cakewalk threads with negative comments, it appears from here and other threads that many people are frustrated by this and the complaints have been duly noted.

With that said I do not see a real purpose in this thread anymore, I will hold off for a bit and see if it goes back on topic but if it doesn't I'll likely lock it. I dont want to reward the attempt at manipulating this thread but at the same time we should stay on topic, I think sometimes a bit of venting is healthy and members have vented too. So we have a choice with this thread, we can right the ship or scuttle it, I leave that up to you guys and all I ask is you keep it civil.

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:43 pm

telecharge wrote:
flugel45 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
telecharge wrote:Also of note, the first person who replied to the OP has been BANNED.
why is that of note?
It's not.
It's notable to me because I have not followed the KVR forum soap opera. We may just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Fine. But if it's conspiracy theories you want, why have him banned because of Sonar? I mean, he could have been abducted by aliens, and KVR is covering it up.

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