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ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:21 pm

recursive one wrote:
ghettosynth wrote: Here shitty is referring to the ability of the filter to be an accurate model of an analog filter.
So well, "shitty" gets a new meaning. It doesn't anymore mean "bad", now it means "everything which is not an accurate model of an analog". Thank you for clarifying this.

Oh for f**ks sake, it's an internet forum, not a dissertation. Shitty is my opinion, if you can't see that then maybe go outside and play for a little while, get some sunshine.

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:25 pm

I normally sweep and think that sounds good, that sounds a bit odd, that sounds sweet, that sounds a bit aliasy up there, hmm why is it like the volume is ducking when I sweep, those kind things are typical, not much logic in it.

When it's good I smile usually. If I smile it usually makes it into my favourites.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:29 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: I am not into sweeps, would you mind posting an audio of such a shitty Sylenth1 filter sweep just so that I know what shitty sounds like?
Why would I waste my time to convince you of anything? If you can't tell the difference then it doesn't matter to you, right?
Well, you seem to define what things should and shouldn't sound like. So why not post an audio demonstrating the latter, or both actually?
Maybe I could tell the difference and would agree with you, Maybe not...

I'm sorry, was it not clear? That would be a waste of "my" time. Feel free to post whatever you like. I don't really care if you disagree. I'm not losing any sleep because you can't hear the effects of crappy filters.

fluffy_little_something · Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:34 pm

ghettosynth wrote:I'm sorry, was it not clear? That would be a waste of "my" time. Feel free to post whatever you like. I don't really care if you disagree. I'm not losing any sleep because you can't hear the effects of crappy filters.

As I expected, just empty words...
During the time you wasted writing your posts, you could easily have recorded a shitty sweep...

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:35 pm

Synthman2000 wrote:I normally sweep and think that sounds good, that sounds a bit odd, that sounds sweet, that sounds a bit aliasy up there, hmm why is it like the volume is ducking when I sweep, those kind things are typical, not much logic in it.

When it's good I smile usually. If I smile it usually makes it into my favourites.

The more rapidly you sweep the more obvious are the artifacts, especially when the resonance is high.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:37 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:I'm sorry, was it not clear? That would be a waste of "my" time. Feel free to post whatever you like. I don't really care if you disagree. I'm not losing any sleep because you can't hear the effects of crappy filters.
As I expected, just empty words...
During the time you wasted writing your posts, you could easily have recorded a sweep...

You're not getting it, it's not about how much time it would take, it's that I don't care what "you" need to be convinced. Go convince yourself, or not, I don't give a shit. If you want to argue about things, go find someone else to argue with.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:39 pm

I think Sylenth's filters are kind of special. If you compare them with something like Diva, the difference is obvious, but I really love their liquid squelchy qualities, indeed, really good for psytrance (among other things).

ARP 303 SAW!!!111

fluffy_little_something · Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:44 pm

ghettosynth wrote:You're not getting it, it's not about how much time it would take, it's that I don't care what "you" need to be convinced. Go convince yourself, or not, I don't give a shit. If you want to argue about things, go find someone else to argue with.

If you don't want to argue about it and support your claims, you are just dumping your opinion here, which is as subjective and biased as anybody else's...
Now that we have clarified that, fine with me

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:05 pm

I think what ghetto is trying to say, and maybe not using the best words to say it, is this.

Sylenth1's filters do not accurate emulate an analog filter, at least in a technical sense. I am sure this is easy enough to prove with various tools. So for the purpose of technical accuracy, he calls Sylenth1's filters sh*tty. Maybe a better term would simply be inacurate as an analog model.

How good or bad that filter sounds to each individual's ears is purely subjective. Some people like that inaccurate emulation while others do not.

Trying to equate "quality" to "pleasing to the ear" when it comes to music is an exercise in futility.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:06 pm

ghettosynth wrote:As I said, some people prefer the sound of shitty filters.

Sorry to pick on this, but, meh, dude.

"Shitty" is such an subjective term, and feeling, that it hardly has any context or meaning in such a statement. I consider filters shitty which have the latest ZDF zoom zoom wow technology, which is supposed to shred your butt off with every filter sweep. Same with Hive's filters, i just don't like them. The characteristic isn't very nice for me. The clean one is not bad though, the others sound like Bazille v2 to me. If that's your thing, cool, but, don't consider other filters "shitty", just because you don't like them, and think that you can make a general thing about it. It's just that you seem to prefer rather dirty analog type filters, maybe even like the Minibrute's filters, which sound riduclously "shitty" to me, just like the rest of the synth. See what i mean?

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:14 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:You're not getting it, it's not about how much time it would take, it's that I don't care what "you" need to be convinced. Go convince yourself, or not, I don't give a shit. If you want to argue about things, go find someone else to argue with.
If you don't want to argue about it and support your claims, you are just dumping your opinion here, which is as subjective and biased as anybody else's...
Now that we have clarified that, fine with me

I didn't say that I didn't want to argue, I said that I didn't want to argue with "you."

There is fact in my comments and there is opinion. Shitty as a pejorative is just my opinion. That Sylenth's filter is old and inaccurate and will distort on rapid sweeps is fact.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:20 pm

chk071 wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:As I said, some people prefer the sound of shitty filters.
Sorry to pick on this, but, meh, dude.

Then don't, because you're just going to waste your time. I'm not engaging the ZDF deniers today.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:29 pm

Hope you're kidding. Or should we beware of a crusade against heretics?

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:35 pm

Just so every one knows, Hives filters are not the most analog either. They reproduce very, very well, and are very punchy, but the "analog" comes from artificial distortions added to the filter. This does make it sound more analog in the end signal. Hive is all about the juicy distortions added.

fluffy_little_something · Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:36 pm

ghettosynth wrote:I didn't say that I didn't want to argue, I said that I didn't want to argue with "you."

There is fact in my comments and there is opinion. Shitty as a pejorative is just my opinion. That Sylenth's filter is old and inaccurate and will distort on rapid sweeps is fact.

Why, what's wrong with "me"?

I am quite open to being convinced of something, but of course not with words.

Old, yes, but inaccurate? Inaccurate implies a deviation from something ideal or original.
Are there mathematical flaws in Sylenth1's filter algorithm? How do you know, do you have access to the code?

Hmmm i Don't need more synths or do i? Opinions on Hive?!:...:::