KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:03 am

aMUSEd wrote:As a Virus Ti owner I would say where Dune has similarities is in the voice and unison architecture and the fact that it can create huge patches with lots of voices. However the rest of it is not similar. On the other hand Spire probably comes closest in terms of some of its filters (and its reverb) but can't do the voicing thing and eats CPU.

So if Dune 3 could put both elements together it may get closer, although I'm less interested in an emulation (since I already have the real thing) than what it can do in its own right. For me it's the wavetable functionality that needs the most work and the filters have room for improvement. The ladder from Legend would be great of course.

Fair enough. I don't expect it to be an emulation too. It's just that i demo'd Dune 2 once again yesterday, and, once again, when comparing it to Spire e.g. missed the sound detail, the character of the filters (i don't like either of the filters in Dune 2... sound harsh and lo-fi), and, especially, the punch. Dune 2 is just tame, soft, and just thin, when you use short filter decay times to try to get some pluckiness out of it. Guess it's just not my cup of tea, no matte what. I don't find it particularly warm sounding either. Rather cold, and clinical.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:16 am

chk071 wrote:Dune 2 is just tame, soft, and just thin ... I don't find it particularly warm sounding either. Rather cold, and clinical.

That's "the sound of today" it seems. Some of the most popular current synths like Avenger and Icarus sound similar.

Actually I'm starting to use Dune again, just in the cases when I need cold and clinical sounds (and I do need them every now and then to contrast warmer synths). Still any additions that would allow making fatter and more organic sounds with Dune would be welcome

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:10 am

No problems here getting "fat/warm/analog/organic" sounds in D2.5

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:15 am

Good for you.

pepelogu · Post by **pepelogu** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:24 pm

I don't care too much about more features. Dune2 got plenty of those. What i'd like is improved workflow and the Legend filters.

SomeTrees · Post by **SomeTrees** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:53 pm

Since Dune already has VA, Wavetable and (basic) FM, it might be worth considering adding the following:
- Sample import (similar to Serum)
- Granular synthesis (even something like Omnisphere's basic granular would go a long way, or better yet, like Avenger)

Dune has it's own voice, much different than either Serum's or Avengers, so the ability to have samples or granular might compliment it well. They could honestly be combined into one new layer, you just would just ignore the granular capabilities if you didn't need them for that particular sound.

- Arp/Seq per layer
- Wet/Dry or send amount knob to FX

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:41 pm

i add : mpe

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:46 pm

pepelogu wrote:I don't care too much about more features. Dune2 got plenty of those. What i'd like is improved workflow and the Legend filters.

This.

Actually, I don't have any objections to its workflow [much], but the sound in general could be better. The Legend is fabulous!

Mind you, though, I think its sound is quite good already. It's one of my most used soft-synths and I don't use many. But it can be better.

Yes, Spire sounds really interesting and I find it really inspiring for sound design, but gosh it uses so much resources... usable for a couple of sounds in a project. Kontakt and Battery use less RAM and CPU. By far.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:05 pm

I'm not familiar the Legend filters but if they are similar to Monark (I guess they are supposed to be) it would indeed be a welcome addition to Dune. Maybe it's indeed the missing link to make the sound fatter/warmer etc please don't call Anx here

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:12 pm

But you know you could use the FX version of The Legend to use the filter......but i know it´s not quite the same. What about the Arturia filter FX...are they any good now.
I would prefer Zebra XMF filters in Dune 2

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:19 pm

recursive one wrote:I'm not familiar the Legend filters but if they are similar to Monark (I guess they are supposed to be) it would indeed be a welcome addition to Dune. [/size]

I'd be interested to know what you think about it. There are demos available for both.

My opinion is that the Legend filters are good, but don't quite reach the wild regions Monark gets to. I made this a while ago, and posted it in another forum to show how snappy the filter and envelope in Monark is:

https://soundcloud.com/chk-sound/monark-snap

Wasn't quite able to get the same out of Legend, in fact, it kind of showed the issues i had with Dune 2 as well. IMO. YMMV. Don't-hack-me-to-pieces-Synapse-fanbois. Etc.

Actually, i must say that i can't even put my finger on what exactly the difference is. There's either something about the resonance, or the envelopes. Or both (?).

Nonetheless i'd say that the filters in Legend are pretty good, and they'd make a great addition to Dune 2, of course. Dunno if they'd automagically would make it so much warmer though.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:22 pm

chk071 wrote:
recursive one wrote:I'm not familiar the Legend filters but if they are similar to Monark (I guess they are supposed to be) it would indeed be a welcome addition to Dune. [/size]
I'd be interested to know what you think about it. There are demos available for both. My opinion is that the Legend filters are good, but don't quite reach the wild regions Monark gets to. I made this a while ago, and posted it in another forum to show how snappy the filter and envelope in Monark is:

https://soundcloud.com/chk-sound/monark-snap

Wasn't quite able to get the same out of Legend, in fact, it kind of showed the issues i had with Dune 2 as well. IMO. YMMV. Don't-hack-me-to-pieces-Synapse-fanbois. Etc. Actually, i must say that i can't even put my finger on what exactly the difference is. There's either something about the resonance, or the envelopes. Or both (?).

It might be just your flavor

In most shootouts The Legend wins but others still prefer Monark and i think the new Moog app kills them all.

I´m also not sure if an analog emulation is really good for "snappy" sounds. That might be better in digital synths.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:28 pm

Actually, that kind of snappiness is something which took the developers a LOOONG time to get right in digital synths. Most analog synths i've heard have that by default. Of course, an accurate replication of the resonance behavior helps a lot.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:30 pm

chk071 wrote:Actually, that kind of snappiness is something which took the developers a LOOONG time to get right in digital synths. Most analog synths i've heard have that by default. Of course, an accurate replication of the resonance behavior helps a lot.

Dagger f.e. beats Monark by a long shot for me. Monark is just harsh for me.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm

This video reminded me of Monark in most regards:

Anyway, back to Dune 3.

The Dune3 feature requests thread