Best reverb for small spaces

[Igro]

NI Raum does this well.
Someone mentioned Valhalla Room, but it does have some unpleasant metallic and grainy quality on "spiky" percussions with fast attack. Vintage is even more metallic.

Haven't tried phoenix, but will do.

[ramseysounds]

Just dial in more or less on a send

Lower volume simply is not a shorter, roomier, smaller space reverb.

where do I mention volume? Ffs this place has gone to the dogs

Quite literally, when you said '...on a send'. A send is a level (volume) knob, you know (apparently you don't know). The guy's reply to you made sense... you appeared to be asserting that simply lowering the level / volume of the reverb (by sending less) was going to make it sound more like a shorter / roomier / smaller space. Which is of course not true. It will just make whatever reverb he's using quieter. Because less volume.

Absolute BS. A send level is how much of the original track is sent to the effect. Nothing to do with volume. Set mix level to 100% on the vst and adjust the send level.

This is astounding, frankly.
Dude: Level is Volume. Send Level, what you call "how much of the original track is sent" -- what do you think that means, "how much of a track?" It means LEVEL, which absolutely effects the resulting VOLUME of what is heard, how many times do we need to repeat this for you?

There is no magical property of 'track content', as you seem to think, re: "a send level is how much of the original track is sent..." where apparently you believe what is sent is a magical property of 'track-existence.' Please, pause and be willing to learn something here: there is only Level. That's what gets Sent. X amount of the LEVEL of the track.

how about stfu with personal remarks? I know what I mean but sometimes due to an inability to express myself properly, I use the wrong words or phrases and express things wrong. Magical property? Idiot statement. So yeah, stfu. Thanks.

[Ploki]

i see this is going well

[elxsound]

i see this is going well

For a best of reverb thread it’s actually not bad!

[ramseysounds]

@Ploki Yeah well Im fed up with the constant pile ons and piss taking when sometime wants to put a point of view across, but for whatever reason gets words muddled up and says something wrong. Theres so many f**king ‘experts’ and yeah sometimes we all get things wrong, but yeah I know lets turn to ridicule and taking the piss. And no its not aimed at you.

[chk071]

NI Raum does this well.

I almost exclusively use Raum lately. Big sweet spot. And easy to use, which is important for me too.

[peterdh]

The website is long gone, but the excellent free set of Samplecity IRs of the Bricasti M7 is arachived here;

https://web.archive.org/web/20190201211 ... responses/

A huge selection, top notch quality and all types of reverb and sizes. Use these loads.

This library is completely FREE, to comply with the request from Bricasti that it is allowed to create impulse responses with the M7, as long as these IRs are not included in any commercial product.

Is this library free, when used in a commercial track?

[_leras]

...Are you looking for an intimate/close up feeling or the sound of something playing on one end of a room while the listener is at the other side?..

I think, I am looking for an intimate/close up feeling, opposite of big, cold hall

What you want may actually be closer to some more compression, and ducking the reverb or delay, than actually a small space.

To me small space is something like a phone box.

[elxsound]

@Ploki Yeah well Im fed up with the constant pile ons and piss taking when sometime wants to put a point of view across, but for whatever reason gets words muddled up and says something wrong. Theres so many f**king ‘experts’ and yeah sometimes we all get things wrong, but yeah I know lets turn to ridicule and taking the piss. And no its not aimed at you.

C’mon. No accountability. You were aggressive from the beginning.

Just ONE person had corrected you and you were unnecessarily aggressive and rude.

I had no interest in carrying this on, but I’m not a fan of revisionists painting themselves as victims.

I don’t alway say the right things either but I can own my mistakes

[_leras]

how about stfu with personal remarks? I know what I mean but sometimes due to an inability to express myself properly, I use the wrong words or phrases and express things wrong. Magical property? Idiot statement. So yeah, stfu. Thanks.

Well as long as you got there, applied some growth mindset and taken some learning - I think we're all good here.

Reverb send not equal to reverb space/time.

[ramseysounds]

@Ploki Yeah well Im fed up with the constant pile ons and piss taking when sometime wants to put a point of view across, but for whatever reason gets words muddled up and says something wrong. Theres so many f**king ‘experts’ and yeah sometimes we all get things wrong, but yeah I know lets turn to ridicule and taking the piss. And no its not aimed at you.

C’mon. No accountability. You were aggressive from the beginning.

Just ONE person had corrected you and you were unnecessarily aggressive and rude.

I had no interest in carrying this on, but I’m not a fan of revisionists painting themselves as victims.

I don’t alway say the right things either but I can own my mistakes

I know, let’s carry on the fight. Keep on ridiculing and piling on. Do one asshole. Im done with this place

[elxsound]

@Ploki Yeah well Im fed up with the constant pile ons and piss taking when sometime wants to put a point of view across, but for whatever reason gets words muddled up and says something wrong. Theres so many f**king ‘experts’ and yeah sometimes we all get things wrong, but yeah I know lets turn to ridicule and taking the piss. And no its not aimed at you.

C’mon. No accountability. You were aggressive from the beginning.

Just ONE person had corrected you and you were unnecessarily aggressive and rude.

I had no interest in carrying this on, but I’m not a fan of revisionists painting themselves as victims.

I don’t alway say the right things either but I can own my mistakes

I know, let’s carry on the fight. Keep on ridiculing and piling on. Do one asshole. Im done with this place

Maybe there’s less fighting when you don’t call people assholes, and tell others to STFU. Might be worth a try. Just saying.

[E_Anderson]

...Are you looking for an intimate/close up feeling or the sound of something playing on one end of a room while the listener is at the other side?..

I think, I am looking for an intimate/close up feeling, opposite of big, cold hall

What you want may actually be closer to some more compression, and ducking the reverb or delay, than actually a small space.

To me small space is something like a phone box.

I was going to say. If you want a drum room, before thinking of reverb try a fast attack compressor that crushes transients with a short release. Blend in wet signal in parallel to taste. This tends to emphasize room without adding any metallic qualities or muddiness. Because you’ve made this thread with something probably in mind, you may not care to hear about a compressor, but I find this to be much better than added room ambience most of the time, so it must be included and hopefully considered!

I would offer on the reverb side to check out VSR S24 and Cinematic Rooms but you already have Nimbus, and Nimbus is quite close to as good as CR/VSR… If you haven’t explored Nimbus yet for small spaces but want another reverb, well. You very well may want another after the new one! Now if you want to have some new toys, most of the LiquidSonics reverbs, all of the Relab ones, Exponential Audio, MTurboReverb, and a number of plates work great for small sizes. And big ones. So does using M/S processing with the ERs/short tails.

And I also feel recorded IRs simulate the complex diffusion of ERs into short tails better than most algorithms. But just use what sounds good. Which is compression.

Ffs this place has gone to the dogs

[DJErmac]

If you want a reverb to sound close, first make it sound close :
-maximize the early reflections (as you want to simulate the sound is reflecting everywhere around you in a small area -there you see that quality of early reflections sometimes matter-),
-set a very very low decay time (as you want to simulate a very short distance/space),
-choose a very low predelay time (as you're trying to simulate the sound is not reflecting in a very distant area),
-set a quite low body/tail (as you don't want a loud reverb sound),
-avoid modulation (as it has nothing to do with it),
-and you've made 95% of the job (most of the time the rest depends on the algo, such as stereo space and colour, you simply have to try).
Also choose an algo that's not too incoherent : I wouldn't recommend a plate one, even if on some reverbs they're perfectly OK for this. You've already made your mind and chosen that room/chamber is the best possible algo for a short space, I agree.

I love Acon Digital reverb for this purpose. But Relab VSR24 would be my first choice, as its early reflections are killer. A lot of people recommend Phoenix for this.
Anyway if you're setting up your own reverb parameters, you'll see most commercial capable reverbs are able to simulate nice short ambiances.

[E_Anderson]

Modulation is just a color tool, it may or may not sound good in a small space. There are a few reasons for subtle modulation in real spaces, like movement of the source or other people, the little air vibrations impacting against each other…