Is it time for SUPER plugin?

[Leo1999]

Its a shame, there are genuinely useful conversations to be had about AI processing, but this pie-in-the-sky take on it serving the laziest of all possible aspirations is about the least so.

And that's why you have joined???

If you're setting the bar on your own efforts so low, why bother at all?

You do not it.

[jamcat]

it's not a masturbation competition

How do you know who wins a masturbation competition?
Are points awarded for style?

Or is it a race?

Whoever comes first loses.

I was thinking maybe it’s like the pole vault meets the shot put, and it’s all about distance.

[Leo1999]

How come it is accepted that drum loops are used, whether audio or midi files,
but if a plugin made a voice sound like Barry White or Michael Jackson
many a man would start complaining?!

If it was possible for a plugin to make me sound like Chris Cornell when I sang, I'd get it in a heartbeat and I'd tell anybody who had a problem with it what they could do with their opinions in florid rants of profanity. Does this make me a hypocrite? Yes, I think so. So I would happily go about my affairs as a hypocrite who could sing like freaking Chris Cornell, arguably the greatest rock singer ever in my opinion.

As a drummer of twenty five plus years, I can tell you that drum loops are NOT accepted by drummers. They were just brought into usage and they were easier to deal with than finding a competent drummer, so they proliferated. I feel the same way about them that guitarists will all feel when the tech finally reaches the point that they get replaced with MIDI just like so many drummers have been.

It's not all bad though. EDM isn't trying to sound like a real drummer and never has been, along with most electronically based music, so that stuff doesn't bother me; they're doing their own thing when it comes to percussion and natural sounding drums are not what they're after.

The straight up upside is that when people try to make MIDI grooves and loops into natural, authentic sounding drum performances most of them utterly fail. Just slapping down some MIDI is not going to glue your performances together; playing tight in a group and following the drummer are skills that you only get from playing with other people, and you can instantly tell when the musicians on a track either have that skill or don't.

It actually makes the skills of a real drummer more valuable, but most bedroom composers aren't going to have access to a solid drummer and they probably won't recognize the value one brings to the table.

Heck, I've even offered to play drums for free on some of my friend's projects and not gotten any takers, and I am a pretty damn good rock drummer who can play to a click comfortably and who has a pretty large catalog of work to demonstrate what I can do.

Oh well, lead a horse to water and all that, right?

Of course

[whyterabbyt]

You do not get it.

I get my question perfectly. But for some reason you wont answer it.

The plugin is not stealing something 1:1 that has been used before.

See; you're deflecting. I didnt ask about stealing, I asked about effort.

You won't get exactly Jimi Hendrix All along the watchtower solo,
but his playing technique.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

No one complaints if a VSTi is released that gives you
the sound of a Fender Jazz Bass or Les Paul or Fender Rhodes.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

A voice is an instrument and to be able to transfer your voice into
Little Richard's voice would be more or less the same.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

You don't see the creativity factor at all.

What creativity factor? Hitting 'redo' on a GUI a hundred times?

It's been already done for years as far as drums, pianos etc are concerned as to sound
(Sampling libraries).

There's that proof that you've never actually used one of these AI tools.

I don't get your mourning.

Mourning of what? Your ability to make an effort?

Wake up it's 2022!

It would be nice if you understood that.

[whyterabbyt]

Anyway, given that its clear the OP doesnt understand 2022 technology properly, and is presumably too busy on tik tok to apply effort to anything as mundane as finding out, the OP is basically just magical thinking.

[Leo1999]

You do not get it.

I get my question perfectly. But for some reason you wont answer it.

The plugin is not stealing something 1:1 that has been used before.

See; you're deflecting. I didnt ask about stealing, I asked about effort.

You won't get exactly Jimi Hendrix All along the watchtower solo,
but his playing technique.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

No one complaints if a VSTi is released that gives you
the sound of a Fender Jazz Bass or Les Paul or Fender Rhodes.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

A voice is an instrument and to be able to transfer your voice into
Little Richard's voice would be more or less the same.

Irrelevant, nothing to do with my question.

You don't see the creativity factor at all.

What creativity factor? Hitting 'redo' on a GUI a hundred times?

It's been already done for years as far as drums, pianos etc are concerned as to sound
(Sampling libraries).

There's that proof that you've never actually used one of these AI tools.

I don't get your mourning.

Mourning of what? Your ability to make an effort?

Wake up it's 2022!

It would be nice if you understood that.

The best effort!

[Unaspected]

Anyway, given that its clear the OP doesnt understand 2022 technology properly, and is presumably too busy on tik tok to apply effort to anything as mundane as finding out, the OP is basically just magical thinking.

Absentem Magicae.

[Leo1999]

creativity factor?

[Samiver]

I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.

[Leo1999]

I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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I am a terrible singer (which is why I don't sing) so would appreciate the ability to change my voice to others. As for generating melodies, drums, sounds and effects (eg. If the super plugin had presets to sound like the artist of your choice) I think would take away too much skill and your own individuality. Using the odd sample etc still allows you to imprint your own style but if this super plugin generated most of the stuff personally I would not see the point as I would not consider it my music.
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Why?

[whyterabbyt]

The best effort always is the easiest way to get a good result!

Well, the laziest effort certainly isnt.

You really want today's youth to learn an instrument???

Strawman. Laughable one, in fact.

Try to imagine what today's youth is faced with, things have to
be done quickly in a simple and comfortable way!

I suspect Im slightly more familiar with the expectations of 'youth' with artistic inclinations than you are.

Maybe you grew up without insta, tik tok, yt etc
Do you actually know how much time you have to
spend on social media every day when you are young today
or are just pretending not to live on planet earth
or maybe you just live in a place very different

I grew up without the internet, and Ive been using it since before most people had even heard of it, before there were websites, before anything was called social media, and all the way through all of those things.

And its veryclear that your assumptions about it are because you are ignorant of historical precedent, not because Im unaware of (what you think is special about) the current iteration of something that's actually decades-old.

Let's say I am 18 and want to be a music producer,
so just give me tools to get fast and efficient results.

Oh, yeah, that's the bit I forgot about the tiktok generation. The sense of entitlement.

You expect me to write professionally about technical details,
sorry, I am not a dev, it's not my business.

Its not anyone else's either. Its imaginary nonsense, from a position of complete ignorance.

I have an idea and it's not my idea, it's something
that will be developed anyway and
virtuosity, arrangement skills, playing instruments on
a high level was yesterday.

Not going to happen.

[whyterabbyt]

Is it also a problem for you that cars are used nowadays to get from A to B
or do you still use horses?

Neither.

Even without the intrinsic fallacy,

You might also glorify music's value today too much,
with several thousand new uploads to spotify every day
it's just a mass product.

Then again, that might be a strawman. Oh wait, it is.

You do not have to be an economics expert
to know what a mass product is worth.

However you should know something about what an economics expert before commenting on what they do and dont do.
Clue : its not about the worth of products.

You do not see a creativity factor?

Im asking you what the creativity factor is.

What plugin could make you sound
like Jim Morrison and Marvin Gaye at the
same time plus add some of your own color
plus have a Bootsy Collins bass at the same time?!

What specifically is creative about those things?

[Leo1999]

@whyterabbyt
Oh, that's why!

[whyterabbyt]

@whyterabbyt
Oh, that's why maybe the most successful and known band ever
knew that much about music theory and could play
their instruments on the highest level lol

what is?

would you like to try and make a fully-formed argument please?

There is such a famous example

What's the famous example of music processed by an Ai to sound like different artists completely?

and you think
someone needs more than some basics
and today with software even less

oh FFS, another strawman, that's not what I said, even slightly.

Do you have anything factual to bring to the table? Or are you just going to continue with completely fabricated bullshit?

Are you even capable of answering a simple question?

[lobanov]

so just give me tools to get fast and efficient results.

1. Does that mean I have to make all work instead of you?

2. Why are you needed if I make all work instead of you?