d16 SigMund v 2 released

[ramseysounds]

I have too many delays already. A delay is a delay. I’ll pass

[jens]

I have too many delays already. A delay is a delay. I’ll pass

I think calling it a "delay" is selling Sigmund pretty short... it's actually a whole lot more than that.

[ramseysounds]

I have too many delays already. A delay is a delay. I’ll pass

I think calling it a "delay" is selling Sigmund pretty short... it's actually a whole lot more than that.

Even their own website calls it a delay unit

[jens]

I have too many delays already. A delay is a delay. I’ll pass

I think calling it a "delay" is selling Sigmund pretty short... it's actually a whole lot more than that.

Even their own website calls it a delay unit

Yes, and I think they are selling it short - wasn't I clear on that?

[JerGoertz]

I have too many delays already. A delay is a delay. I’ll pass

I think calling it a "delay" is selling Sigmund pretty short... it's actually a whole lot more than that.

Agreed. I always would reach for the Sigmund v1 whenever I wanted an unusual effect, something that I wouldn't normally get with other delays. Maybe such things would have been possible with the others, but Sigmund's presets went way beyond the ordinary.

[jens]

Yes - I think "semi-modular multi-effect" would actually be more accurate and the presets show it...

[vitocorleone123]

Yes - I think "semi-modular multi-effect" would actually be more accurate and the presets show it...

Meris calls their LVX pedal a "modular delay system" - which seems a reasonably good description of Sigmund 2.

[mholloway]

The main thing Sigmund has going for it is the two-channel Pre-delay, and it can be tempo sync'd, etc. The only other delay plugins I have with pre-delay options are a couple from PSP -- this has a much nicer interface than either of those. Pre-delay will be useless to many, useful to others -- just depends on your specific delay programming needs. I really like having it available; you can come up with overall timing that is impossible on delays that don't all you to pre-delay a single channel. Example: setting both L and R to good old dotted 8ths delays, but then setting a pre-delay of 1/16th on just one of them. Both channels still repeat at dotted 8ths, but one of them *starts* a 16th later than the other. The result is a really nice stereo delay pattern that couldn't otherwise be achieved w/o these specific parameters.

Sigmund also has a resonant filter that can be used inside the feedback path. This is also surprisingly rare in delay plugins, in my experiencen. Filtering, sure; resonant filtering, rare. Replika-XT can do it, probably some others, but *most* of my delay plugins just offer simple low and/or hi pass filters, no resonance, no option to put it in the feedback loop.

These are the features that make Sigmund 1+2 interesting. If you're just flicking through presets and have no interest in the actual programming of delays.... well, it might still be a good choice, the presets are pretty interesting.

[Ou_Tis]

The presets aren't organized by suggested instrument type. A few preset names mention an instrument---"Feel the Strat" is obviously a stratocaster guitar for example, or "Jazz Guitar Attack", but it would be much better to have a "Guitar" category. And there's no way to search the "Description" field. There's only one "vocal" delay preset (edit: and one non-delay vocal preset) though of course a lot of the classic delay types indicated are popular on vocals.

I hate the gui and don't like what I've heard of the saturation and other effects so far on vocals.

There should be a link to the manual inside the plugin. The manual I found online seems to be for Sigmund 1.

The labeling is bizarrely obtuse and uninformative. While I've been able to figure it out, it's annoying. In Sync, you should make it clear that "16" is referring to 16th notes etc. I see you got rid of the "fraction" bar from Sigmund 1 for some reason---that made it significantly more confusing. The dry/wet should be labeled dry/wet, not "FX". That was just needlessly aggravating.

Other delays I already have---like Echoboy and Recirculate---let you use Sync to set a delay time in relation to the tempo and then, when switching back to setting the delay time in milliseconds, the milliseconds will match the note value from the Sync, so you can quickly set a delay that's close to the Sync value but slightly later, which is what I usually want to do.

[Ou_Tis]

Found the Sigmund 2 manual on D16's website. On Windows, holding control while turning the knob to fine-tune parameters does not seem to work. (Neither does alt. Didn't have caps lock on.) Since Sigmund 2 also doesn't allow us to type in exact parameters, this prevented me from getting the timing of the delays exactly right, and is a major, major negative relative to other delays.

[Uncle E]

Other delays I already have---like Echoboy and Recirculate---let you use Sync to set a delay time in relation to the tempo and then, when switching back to setting the delay time in milliseconds, the milliseconds will match the note value from the Sync, so you can quickly set a delay that's close to the Sync value but slightly later, which is what I usually want to do.

Use predelay to offset.

[writheuk]

Well I've got Sigmund 2 and Windows 10 and I've got no problem dialling in exact delay times/fine tune parameters. Which "knob" are you talking about and I'll double-check.

[Ou_Tis]

Well I've got Sigmund 2 and Windows 10 and I've got no problem dialling in exact delay times/fine tune parameters. Which "knob" are you talking about and I'll double-check.

I figured out the issue: you have to start holding control *before* you click on the knob.

[Ou_Tis]

The predelay and being able to have the filters in the feedback loop are nice, but I already have Recirculate which does both those things... though of course it doesn't have Sigmund 2's four delay lines per instance which allow for more complex presets. Unfortunately relatively few of the presets seem to use the predelay or include the filters in the feedback loop.

I don't like not being able to edit the Q of the filters.

I do like a bunch of the presets for adding rhythmic phaser/flanger, filters, saturation, and delay to electronic drum loops, and for all that plus chorus/spatialization for some electric guitar. It's cool but it's not the type of music I've generally been interested in making; and I think I'm already well enough covered by the numerous other effects plugins I have.

[HM]

I don't like not being able to edit the Q of the filters.

Agree

The manual is BS ,.. only the main routing seems clear

Filters are unspecified and undescribed ,.. nothing basic about Q ,.. dB/Oct ,.. Poles ,.. etc

You can choose some filters ,.. but basicly don't know what you are dealing with ,..

And off-course have no professional basic control over the filters

Same time they like it to apear like somthing pro ,... apealing to nerds ,.. tweaking details

Well they missed it big time

In some of the material its mentioned that you could work with wovels and wah, well-well

One could have expected so much more