PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[Kypresso]

So, users who have bought pro from the early beginnings, paid for each upgrade are totally forgotten and equaled to artist users who spent much less? Did intern came up with this idea or…?

No, pro users at least get an updated daw every year, artist users have been f**ked over and get no updates ever again.

TBH, I have S1 Pro 6.5 and and Artist user pays the same as I do for the upgrade to 7 Pro- so they got a bargain!

Not really much of a bargain for artist users who now have to pay a lot more for things they dont need or want or maybe can afford.
look at poor Bones, hes not happy now.

[SLiC]

So, users who have bought pro from the early beginnings, paid for each upgrade are totally forgotten and equaled to artist users who spent much less? Did intern came up with this idea or…?

No, pro users at least get an updated daw every year, artist users have been f**ked over and get no updates ever again.

TBH, I have S1 Pro 6.5 and and Artist user pays the same as I do for the upgrade to 7 Pro- so they got a bargain!

Not really much of a bargain for artist users who now have to pay a lot more for things they dont need or want or maybe can afford.
look at poor Bones, hes not happy now.

Well, compared to the cost of my Pro 6.5 to 7 upgrade it seems like a bargin..we don't get any extra discount at all for being almost on 7 Pro anyway!

It makes sense to me that these guys just run 1 version (simplifies things), could have been worse, they could have just stopped developing Studio One- I am pretty sure at some point we will loose some of the major DAW developers in a saturated market, a lot have been doing 50% off (masked as cross grades) lately including Bitwig and Cubase.

PS- Bones default state is unhappy, situation normal

[fedexnman]

So ..... October .....

[jens]

So, users who have bought pro from the early beginnings, paid for each upgrade are totally forgotten and equaled to artist users who spent much less? Did intern came up with this idea or…?

No, pro users at least get an updated daw every year, artist users have been f**ked over and get no updates ever again.

That's an utterly absurd way to see it. The fact is that both Artist licensees and Pro licensees pay the same upgrade price for the exact same V7.

[SLiC]

$199 for new users with all the subscription and previously purchased instruments included seems like a hell of a good deal! $199 seems like the price for DAWS...Reason (and maybe others) must be a bit worried!

[BONES]

Just basically pricing and how they are going to release updates more often (3-4 times a years).

Which is a joke, given that we are currently on version 6.6 and we haven't had a paid upgrade since v 6.0, which is a while ago now. All this does is take the pressure off Presonus to deliver a meaningful version update on a regular basis, whilst simultaneously getting us to pay for upgrades every year, instead of every 2 years or so. So they don't have to put in as much effort and we're expected to pay more regularly.

You can see their sales dropped

Where can you see that? I can't see that at all. I have absolutely no idea what their sales are like and, I suspect, neither do you.

So sick of these money grabs, without actually adding the features people have been asking about for over a decade now.

OTOH, I f**king hate applications like Reaper, where they'll implement any stupid feature any moron asks for. I'd like to see a developer with a really strong vision for their product who does what they think is best for that product. Users buy into their vision or they look elsewhere. Orion is a perfect example - as soon as Rich started adding features users requested, he started losing interest in it and gave up on it entirely a couple of years later.

In the case of Studio One, I'd like them to stop adding features and put a lot more effort into making it more robust. It's already got literally 10 times more features than I will ever use, the last thing it needs is even more junk shoved into it.

That's why I switched to Artist a couple of years ago, to get rid of some of the useless junk I don't need and will never use. If they take that away, they can go f**k 'emselves as far as I'm concerned. I can buy a whole new license for Cubase 13 Artist for around the same money as this upgrade.

It’s completely lost on these guys. Unfortunately

The problem, of course, is that the things you want added are not things I give a flying f**k about and I imagine you wouldn't want any of the improvements I'd like to see, either. e.g. I use the browser because it's there but I'd prefer it if there was no browser at all. I'm just as happy dragging from an Explorer window. Meanwhile, adding in the shit they do probably works well for them.

[vertibration]

Bones is right, V6 came out Sep 29th 2022, so its going to be $300 upgrade cost for the same timeframe, while justifying cost with more frequent updates. I dont know man, there framework isnt like Bitwig. Bitwig is very modular, and they have a lot of avenues to continue to customize. I can see how people might want to stick with the Bitwig pay model. I just dont see how this model is going to work for Presonus. I could be wrong, and version 7 moving forward will have substantial updates that justify the cost

[andypryce]

Looks like a clip launcher is coming.

No.

Yes

[kmonkey]

Id rather learn to play fart kazoo than adopt Reaper

I completely understand you

Guys...any screenshots of new and groundbreaking game-changing, industry leading features?

[gentleclockdivider]

Not excited about this new yearly update plan
Let's see what 7.0 brings to the table , I'm still on 4.7 btw

[elnn]

well, looks like *that's* the future of studio one.

and they were expecting pre-release hype from this? I can feel the hype and pride in someone's office over this

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

OTOH, I f**king hate applications like Reaper, where they'll implement any stupid feature any moron asks for. I'd like to see a developer with a really strong vision for their product who does what they think is best for that product. Users buy into their vision or they look elsewhere. Orion is a perfect example - as soon as Rich started adding features users requested, he started losing interest in it and gave up on it entirely a couple of years later.

If you followed Reaper development closely, you'd know this is wrong. Does it get a lot of small updates regularly versus some large big features/updates? Yes. I'd kill if they just rolled their own GUI instead of relying the OS to draw menus and windows (it's oft-requested too). But is not doing that part of the developer's strong vision for Reaper? Also yes. They don't think a massive GUI rewrite would be worth their time when Windows makes implementing nice-looking menus/windows difficult, and MacOS looks quite nice using just the OS drawn stuff. So they use OS-drawn options for both platforms and avoid the hell of writing a cross-platform GUI just to make Windows look a little prettier and add no real functional benefit.

They're not implementing every little feature users ask for UNLESS it fits into their strong vision of Reaper development. A big chunk of Reaper development isn't just music production but people doing video game scoring, creating sample libraries, post-production, etc. and they get a fair amount of the development attention. Improvements to batch processing are a recent example. Fits into the overall "Reaper paradigm". Whereas MIDI production updates happen much more slowly because the developers aren't hardcore MIDI, virtual instrument users. Reaper will do the job, but it's not Cubase.

Justin being his own boss and hella rich allows him to do just whatever he wants, and Schwa (the other developer) is on board. It's not "implement any stupid feature any moron asks for". Far from it. There's just no corporate overlord telling the developers "you have to implement these hot new features because they sell licenses". For better or worse.

I'm not trying to sell you on Reaper or make you like it for these reasons. But the characterization was off. You'd certainly understand the desire to nitpick.

[concealed identity]

Maybe it's because I'm not the type to buy every single new update immediately at release, but the more I think about this, the more it just seems like an issue of perspective.

If you look at it as having to upgrade every year to stay up-to-date, then it looks like you're getting a raw deal here. It's possible that you'd be getting just as many features in one year as you were getting every two years until now, but that's a real gamble.

At the same time, whenever you bought a *.0 version, there was never any indication of what would be coming in the free *.5 update.

So I think a better way to look at it is that you pay for an upgrade whenever you think the upgrade is worth the money, and you get a 1-year buffer of free updates so you don't get pissed off that you paid for the update right before a feature you wanted was included. That's WAY longer than the buffer you get from Steinberg, Ableton, etc. if you buy one of their products just before a new version is announced.

The only concern I have is if you get bug fixes after your year is up- if the last version you have just happens to be a buggy one, that's some bad luck and would really upset me. I would hope that bug fixes come until you've got a license for a stable version, similar to how their recently-announced subscription/permanent license system worked.

[concealed identity]

and they were expecting pre-release hype from this? I can feel the hype and pride in someone's office over this

I think it's the opposite, they likely didn't want discussion on the update plan taking up all the space instead of the new features. Announce this, get it out of the way, and then when Version 7 is revealed, people will want to talk about the new features, not what might be new features over the next year.

Of course it's not going to stop every complaint, but it seems like a good strategy. It also is better at informing consumers, since people will know what they're buying into once Version 7 is released- there's a risk they'd miss that info if the big PR push is on new features.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Well, after I rethought my initial excitement about those license changes, I now have to roll-back... The update price then indeed has doubled or more. It requires quite a bit of discipline and self-control to not buy an update license too early, as I've experienced with Bitwig, too. Paying in advance, and then with a time limit is not a good idea, because it does not even motivate the devs.

Also the devs are not even used to frequently publish updates, or are they? At least, multiple times I was a bit annoyed about the Bitwig updates, the little amount of added features, for such a long time span.

And then I also agree, they should focus on core features, making the inner workflow better and more flexible or more simple, instead adding instruments or fx, since here are specialists already much more focused in this niche. Let's see how this will work out..