What do you think: Which DAW will the safest to resist all of this AI nonsense creeping slowly in?

[Tracewidth]

Oh noes, I'm not using teh AI. My music must be worse than that of all the geniuses who know enuff not to be afraid of POWERFUL TOOLS.

[Trancit]

Yes. In a few years everyone here will wonder how they ever got along without it.

That's definitely imminent. They may avoid using it to replace instrument playing but they'll use it for other things. At this point anyone making anti - A.I. threads are just flattering themselves. It's redundant and stupid.

I am sorry but ghetto and you are very narrow minded and/or very deluded if you think it would do you any good to stop thinking yourself and thank the lord that now the machine thinks for you...

You ask why to avoid AI??
First and foremost: everybody must decide themselves if they want to get unlearned from many things or not... but this will be the final consequence... it will make you far more stupid!

Why I know that? Because it happened in the younger past already (at least) 2 times and both times it´s actually a huge threat to the people...

1. Supermarkets and food companies... your grand parents maybe still your parents knew very well how to just use simple ingredients to produce any food themselves respectively they knew how to conserve food without a fridge or freezer...
This was something the food companies didn´t want... there is no money in just selling ingredients but in industrial producing food with lots of poison and little "real ingredients"...
The people hopped on that train because it was easy and fast...
Now 50-60 years later most are too stupid to boil water not to speak from baking their own bread or conserve food i.e. via fermentation (most will not even know what that is)...
They are 100% dependent on super markets and food companies and have completely unlearned the most essential thing on earth which even knows an ant better than them: how to feed yourself to stay alive!

If this isn´t a great achievement! ... No, not of you... of the industry... they have created in short time customers who can never turn away or they die!

This didn´t happen either from one day to the other... this was a similar process over decades! Every day a bit more... steady drop wears the stone!

I personally, once noticed the harm and danger had to learn everything from ground up but now I am completely industry product free (in terms of food) and (more important) healthy!

2. The great new age of social media and mobile phones...
If there’s one thing that has a stranglehold on a large proportion of people, it´s this deadly combination for sure...
People are meanwhile to silly to find their own *ss anymore without their silly "smart phone"...
They are so addicted to this stuff that they don´t do 2 steps without starring on that damn thing...
They are not able anymore to communicate in a normal manner
A group of friends are sitting at a table in a bar and all they do is starring on their phone...
The only communication is happening if one shows the other something on his display...
Without their "followers" they cannot decide anything anymore...
There have been enough studies offering young people high financial benefits if they get rid off electronic media for just 2 weeks... I mean offers like 10.000 cash...
All of them have failed after 2-3 days... nearly with a mental breakdown!

Great new world!

This happened over night neither... first it was a silly telephone you could carry with you... people laughed about others who had one... "Oh, you are important, aren´t you?"
Then you could send text messages (SMS), then you could send media content (MMS), then it could connect to the web and became a "Smart Phone"... > game over!

If you wonder: Yes, I have always refused to smart phones too... it´s a silly telephone which I perhaps touch 2-3 times a month!

And you wonder that people having at least a bit of common sense left refuse to this silly AI stuff and are proud to be able to still think themselves?
I tell you what: in 20 years these people will still know how to do their thing themselves...
Your brain, on the other hand, will have shrunk to the size of a raisin...
The brain is a muscle that needs to be exercised every day; tedious tasks have to be repeated over and over again until they become second nature.
Like you act you are already highly infected by the "smart phone" culture so probably have lost already about 50% of brain capacity... perhaps that´s the reason you cannot see anymore these risks and believe people who oppose "AI" would harm themselves... no, it will be you who will harm yourselves:
"Welcome to the ‘Stupid People’s Club’ – a club you’ve brought upon yourselves" will be the slogan of tommorrow...

Of course this is all BS in your eyes... you are the most intelligent people and generations on the planet and know everything better...

Of course, the food revolution with it´s impact is not true... just conspiracy theory equally the harm of social media and smart phones... all of those where just welcomed progresses and have just advantages...
Who needs to know how to bake bread if you can go to a fast food store, right?

[ksandvik]

There will always be DAWs that will provice training wheels for beginners. Just a shame that 'professionals' need those.

[Caine123]

Yes. In a few years everyone here will wonder how they ever got along without it.

That's definitely imminent. They may avoid using it to replace instrument playing but they'll use it for other things. At this point anyone making anti - A.I. threads are just flattering themselves. It's redundant and stupid.

I am sorry but ghetto and you are very narrow minded and/or very deluded if you think it would do you any good to stop thinking yourself and thank the lord that now the machine thinks for you...

You ask why to avoid AI??
First and foremost: everybody must decide themselves if they want to get unlearned from many things or not... but this will be the final consequence... it will make you far more stupid!

Why I know that? Because it happened in the younger past already (at least) 2 times and both times it´s actually a huge threat to the people...

1. Supermarkets and food companies... your grand parents maybe still your parents knew very well how to just use simple ingredients to produce any food themselves respectively they knew how to conserve food without a fridge or freezer...
This was something the food companies didn´t want... there is no money in just selling ingredients but in industrial producing food with lots of poison and little "real ingredients"...
The people hopped on that train because it was easy and fast...
Now 50-60 years later most are too stupid to boil water not to speak from baking their own bread or conserve food i.e. via fermentation (most will not even know what that is)...
They are 100% dependent on super markets and food companies and have completely unlearned the most essential thing on earth which even knows an ant better than them: how to feed yourself to stay alive!

If this isn´t a great achievement! ... No, not of you... of the industry... they have created in short time customers who can never turn away or they die!

This didn´t happen either from one day to the other... this was a similar process over decades! Every day a bit more... steady drop wears the stone!

I personally, once noticed the harm and danger had to learn everything from ground up but now I am completely industry product free (in terms of food) and (more important) healthy!

2. The great new age of social media and mobile phones...
If there’s one thing that has a stranglehold on a large proportion of people, it´s this deadly combination for sure...
People are meanwhile to silly to find their own *ss anymore without their silly "smart phone"...
They are so addicted to this stuff that they don´t do 2 steps without starring on that damn thing...
They are not able anymore to communicate in a normal manner
A group of friends are sitting at a table in a bar and all they do is starring on their phone...
The only communication is happening if one shows the other something on his display...
Without their "followers" they cannot decide anything anymore...
There have been enough studies offering young people high financial benefits if they get rid off electronic media for just 2 weeks... I mean offers like 10.000 cash...
All of them have failed after 2-3 days... nearly with a mental breakdown!

Great new world!

This happened over night neither... first it was a silly telephone you could carry with you... people laughed about others who had one... "Oh, you are important, aren´t you?"
Then you could send text messages (SMS), then you could send media content (MMS), then it could connect to the web and became a "Smart Phone"... > game over!

If you wonder: Yes, I have always refused to smart phones too... it´s a silly telephone which I perhaps touch 2-3 times a month!

And you wonder that people having at least a bit of common sense left refuse to this silly AI stuff and are proud to be able to still think themselves?
I tell you what: in 20 years these people will still know how to do their thing themselves...
Your brain, on the other hand, will have shrunk to the size of a raisin...
The brain is a muscle that needs to be exercised every day; tedious tasks have to be repeated over and over again until they become second nature.
Like you act you are already highly infected by the "smart phone" culture so probably have lost already about 50% of brain capacity... perhaps that´s the reason you cannot see anymore these risks and believe people who oppose "AI" would harm themselves... no, it will be you who will harm yourselves:
"Welcome to the ‘Stupid People’s Club’ – a club you’ve brought upon yourselves" will be the slogan of tommorrow...

Of course this is all BS in your eyes... you are the most intelligent people and generations on the planet and know everything better...

Of course, the food revolution with it´s impact is not true... just conspiracy theory equally the harm of social media and smart phones... all of those where just welcomed progresses and have just advantages...
Who needs to know how to bake bread if you can go to a fast food store, right?

i hope not, but I think the fate might be already sealed... the masses sadly seem to never changed, with social media even more, obvious stuff is sucked up in every genre, every corner, people still buy products just cause a "celebrity" promote it .
You can see clips from people showing what politicians say before and after, and obviously most dont care. working working and never asking themselves why they get less in life, because of this crisis and that crisis and this crisis, people gave up their responsibilities long ago, they need someone to tell them what they shall do even if they are lead into sh*t..... oh , might this be already? ;D

it shows with every new stuff, new is modern, modern is better, modern is development, yeah so much development people cannot even cook their own food anymore cause without their smartphones they dont get any banananas anymore and food has to be synthetically expanded the same time food is thrown away each day lol. come on i end this post now, i gave up making people think, i really hope it is not the fate but i might have given up hoping for the good 99,9% lol

[ghettosynth]

Yes. In a few years everyone here will wonder how they ever got along without it.

That's definitely imminent. They may avoid using it to replace instrument playing but they'll use it for other things. At this point anyone making anti - A.I. threads are just flattering themselves. It's redundant and stupid.

I am sorry but ghetto and you are very narrow minded and/or very deluded if you think it would do you any good to stop thinking yourself and thank the lord that now the machine thinks for you...

You ask why to avoid AI??

Nobody asked that. You don't really understand what we're talking about.

[ghettosynth]

There will always be DAWs that will provice training wheels for beginners. Just a shame that 'professionals' need those.

This is naive. You will use models in ways that you simply don't understand. That's clear because your sentence above gives it away. You have a simple understanding of the value of prediction. It is amazing to me how little respect so many of you have for actual intellectual progress.

[Trancit]

i hope not, but I think the fate might be already sealed... the masses sadly seem to never changed, with social media even more, obvious stuff is sucked up in every genre, every corner, people still buy products just cause a "celebrity" promote it .
You can see clips from people showing what politicians say before and after, and obviously most dont care. working working and never asking themselves why they get less in life, because of this crisis and that crisis and this crisis, people gave up their responsibilities long ago, they need someone to tell them what they shall do even if they are lead into sh*t..... oh , might this be already? ;D

it shows with every new stuff, new is modern, modern is better, modern is development, yeah so much development people cannot even cook their own food anymore cause without their smartphones they dont get any banananas anymore and food has to be synthetically expanded the same time food is thrown away each day lol. come on i end this post now, i gave up making people think, i really hope it is not the fate but i might have given up hoping for the good 99,9% lol

There will be a change which has already started a few years ago...
Everday more people are waking up and are able to see this world and the masters of the puppets more clearly...
But it will still take long time... most are so trained like dogs and brainwashed to always believe what the media tells them and it will take long time until they will be able to open their eyes... but it will happen and for many this will be a very hard awakening...
This AI trip is nothing else then at the very keep the masses asleep and make them more stupid then before... stupid people are easier to control... it will fail!

[Zeisner]

There will be a change which has already started a few years ago...
Everday more people are waking up and are able to see this world and the masters of the puppets more clearly...

You wish. It's exactly the opposite. Reduction of complexity (Psychology) was yesterday, brainrot is the new standard.

[syntonica]

Mulab. Had to slip that one in...

Regarding AI, if it's grinding stuff like creating impulse responses or stem splitting, I have no issue with it. When it comes to "generative", i.e. making decisions that humans should absolutely be making, AI can just eff right off.

[Zeisner]

How can a developer ensure that no AI "features" get implemented if they don't write the entire DAW in assembly code?

[Trancit]

nevermind...