Yes!putte wrote:tiptoppest conclusion!shamann wrote:Right, off to the pub then.
The argument that started in vurts song thread thread
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
Hats off to you, Shamann! - it seems you managed to solve this long, old and tiring debatte! 
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
so this is the thread for drunk people?
wasnt it about music and if we like what we like cause we like it while others say we shouldnt like it though we still do while we think they like the wrong music cause they accuse us to like the wrong music?
wasnt it about music and if we like what we like cause we like it while others say we shouldnt like it though we still do while we think they like the wrong music cause they accuse us to like the wrong music?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
You forgot "tube vs. solid state".shamann wrote:Excellent.Jens wrote:makes sense to me!
So everybody, same time next month then?
First we'll need to start a pro vs. amateur thread, an analogue versus digital thread, and a Fruity versus the world thread, then we can get back to this nerd music.
Right, off to the pub then.
Enjoy yourself. I will be joining you (figuratively) in an hour or so.
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
okay .. but what if he and or she doesnt like the music in the pub while others dance like crazy to it?Jens wrote:Yes!putte wrote:tiptoppest conclusion!shamann wrote:Right, off to the pub then.
man man man .. isnt life complicated?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Like computermusicmaking!!!!!!!!putte wrote: man man man .. isnt life complicated?
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
i am glad we´re all finally over pc VS mac ..herodotus wrote:´You forgot "tube vs. solid state".
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
yes - music in pubs should be forbidden!putte wrote:okay .. but what if he and or she doesnt like the music in the pub while others dance like crazy to it?Jens wrote:Yes!putte wrote:tiptoppest conclusion!shamann wrote:Right, off to the pub then.
man man man .. isnt life complicated?
I'm gonna start a new thread in o.t. about this!
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
yes! DeDeWe, Lampert and me are still fighting the rumor that you people know how to doubleclick properly .. ha!herodotus wrote:Like computermusicmaking!!!!!!!!putte wrote: man man man .. isnt life complicated?
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- KVRAF
- 2336 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Terra Firma
This is all very nice and cosy but what about the digs at hip hop and tarnce that keep recurring at KVR?
On the one hand we're told not to make value judgements about 'experimental' or 'ambient' music because the rules don't apply but, boy do they seem to apply to hip hop and tarnce.
I think that everyone is biased and makes judgements about music they don't appreciate. But when those value judgements are posed as if they come from some higher intellectual plane then they are condescending and patronising.
When some people on KVR criticise hip hop they don't mean that they have no appreciation of it but that they see it as musically inferior. This is where I think the double standards lie.
Some people seem open minded about listening to music that is classified as 'experimental' or 'ambient' but close minded about listening to 'hip hop' and 'tarnce'. I don't think this is just due to musical preference but is a result of musical snobbery as well.
On the one hand we're told not to make value judgements about 'experimental' or 'ambient' music because the rules don't apply but, boy do they seem to apply to hip hop and tarnce.
I think that everyone is biased and makes judgements about music they don't appreciate. But when those value judgements are posed as if they come from some higher intellectual plane then they are condescending and patronising.
When some people on KVR criticise hip hop they don't mean that they have no appreciation of it but that they see it as musically inferior. This is where I think the double standards lie.
Some people seem open minded about listening to music that is classified as 'experimental' or 'ambient' but close minded about listening to 'hip hop' and 'tarnce'. I don't think this is just due to musical preference but is a result of musical snobbery as well.
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
i agree. and if we´d all accept that there´d be no flaming ..munchkin wrote:I think that everyone is biased and makes judgements about music they don't appreciate.
putte
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35500 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
[quote="munchkin quoth This is all very nice and cosy but what about the digs at hip hop and tarnce that keep recurring at KVR?
Where? I keep seeing people saying its happening, but I dont actually seem to see it happening. Yes, I see the 'tarnce' joke but thats it...
Ive certainly seen far more threads started specifically to knock the people doing the experimental stuff, on one ground or another.
Where? I keep seeing people saying its happening, but I dont actually seem to see it happening. Yes, I see the 'tarnce' joke but thats it...
Ive certainly seen far more threads started specifically to knock the people doing the experimental stuff, on one ground or another.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
I think every thing here applies as much to hip hop or trance or whatever as it does experimental/ambient/etc. Many equal divergent paths starting from the same source ought to include everything.
To w'rabbyt, if memory serves, try searching the site for variations on 'shit hop'. There was a great one where xoxos laid forth some great ideas on microtonalism and rap, but was met with the usual shit hop brigade.
To w'rabbyt, if memory serves, try searching the site for variations on 'shit hop'. There was a great one where xoxos laid forth some great ideas on microtonalism and rap, but was met with the usual shit hop brigade.
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- AcousticHippie
- 4769 posts since 12 Mar, 2003
must have missed that oneputte wrote:i am glad we´re all finally over pc VS mac ..
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- Banned
- 1319 posts since 29 Jul, 2002
perhaps more threads may be started specifically to knock the experimental stuffwhyterabbyt wrote: Ive certainly seen far more threads started specifically to knock the people doing the experimental stuff, on one ground or another.
but there is no denying that there is a tendency to believe hip-hop and trance are inferior around here.
beliefs that are quite obviously held by the same people who cry when someone questions the integrity of experimental and ambient.
the air of musical snobbery munchkin is talking about is very real.
