Omnisphere 3

[RichN]

need help,

My Omni V3 boxed was in fact a V2 + "contact the support" package deal ( with no such declaration as such)
So i have now that V2 USB stick. I´m not interested in the V2.
Shoul i install my V2 ? Or do i even *have" to install my V2 ?

The only info i have is: contact the tech support at spectrasonics for a free V3 upgrade ( provided: a specific email)


Just, this can be hundreds if not much more such "deals" that went out. Now all these folks contacting that support email.
Not sure if i should wait, even if it takes days, or just install V2 for now .....so agian: do i even HAVE to install my V2 ?

yes, the upgrade is completed from within the plug in

within same version number. But -much likely- not jumps to another version.

waiting now till the support has walked thru hundreds if not even thousands of same requests to hand out the V3 update code. (my boxed version was bought as a V3. got delivered a V2. Nobody would say a word. It´s old stock with a added sticker to the package )

Happened to me too (this is in The Netherlands). Completely dishonest imo, the store did a 'bait and switch' on us. Unfortunately I didn't even notice that they send me Omnisphere 2 instead of Omnisphere 3, until the box was already opened. So I went ahead and installed v2 anyway. Guess what, the so called automatic upgrade to version 3 (upon registering) didn't happen. They (the store) put the blame on Spectrasonics and promised that it would be solved today. Well, let's wait and see. If this doesn't get fixed today, I'll cancel the order. What a bunch of assholes.

[aMUSEd]

Downloader is slooow

[billinder33]

Spent 20 minutes with it before the day's drudgery started, mostly going through some of the libs. One of my biggest issues with the old Omni was that most of it sounded way too 80's, and there's certainly still a lot of that. But then I started working through the Hard Edges lib, and wow! Nice, forward-thinking lib. Can't wait to break down some of those patches to learn how they were created.

On one hand, I need to stop tinkering with the internals and get back to making music. On the other hand, putting the effort in to learn how this system actually works is probably time well spent. It's fun to test all the FX, play with the orb and mutator, etc. but it's time to start doing the grunt work of investigating how specific patches of interest are assembled, learning the browser in more detail, and memorizing the endless navigation through tabs in order to speed workflow. I spent several minutes trying to figure out where the patch I saved last night was, and those knowledge gaps need to be filled if I want to integrate this tool into my regular workflow. Learning Omni is almost as challenging as learning a new DAW.

[Funky40]

need help,

My Omni V3 boxed was in fact a V2 + "contact the support" package deal ( with no such declaration as such)
So i have now that V2 USB stick. I´m not interested in the V2.
Shoul i install my V2 ? Or do i even *have" to install my V2 ?

The only info i have is: contact the tech support at spectrasonics for a free V3 upgrade ( provided: a specific email)

yes, the upgrade is completed from within the plug in

within same version number. But -much likely- not jumps to another version.

Happened to me too (this is in The Netherlands). Completely dishonest imo, the store did a 'bait and switch' on us. Unfortunately I didn't even notice that they send me Omnisphere 2 instead of Omnisphere 3, until the box was already opened. So I went ahead and installed v2 anyway. Guess what, the so called automatic upgrade to version 3 (upon registering) didn't happen. They (the store) put the blame on Spectrasonics and promised that it would be solved today. Well, let's wait and see. If this doesn't get fixed today, I'll cancel the order. What a bunch of assholes.

i feel similar. Yes, very dishonest.
I just contacted Spectrasonics support again, this time over their regular eMail.
i kept it friendly, but made clear that i did NOT get delivered what i purchased.

[IvyBirds]

just had a quick test and will play more later, i need to compare the GUI of Omni 2 vs 3 but i find you have to click more now? you dont see the part overview asap which i love in omni 2 to adjust the settings.

also the search is kinda more cumbersome? it should always show ALL if you want and not have you always select a category.

To the first part - do you mean the controls that were under the wavetable / sample? Yes, definitely a bit more clicking there.

The second one - this is real Achilles Heel of Omni 3 and I suspect users are just beginning to wake up to it. The new full browser is an absolute mess. The basic search box is buried away where you can't see it, and when you do select it is taking up 5% of a huge empty rectangle. It remains active even when you can't see it. Utterly bizarre and user-unfriendly decision.

Then the search all option is horrendous - there's two conflicting tagging standards that are sat on top of one another now, in my install it even threw up deprecated categories with no patches from any library at all. Even if you just own Spectrasonics stuff, whereas you used to be able to search them all simultaneously and effortlessly, you are now limited to each separate product. You can't even search all your third party libraries - you can only pick one at a time.

For users with a lot of other Spectrasonics, user or 3rd party content, this is a hellscape. It is a HUGE step backwards from a user-experience perspective.

I am going to 100% disagree with your premise

The new browser system is awesome. When you have tens of thousands of presets for a plugin there is no system anyone can come up with that will make everyone happy

What Spectrasonics did was logically breakup things into categories

For many years when you read various Omnisphere threads in various places the #1 complaint you see over and over again is that it's to big, it's to overwhelming, there are to many presets, and how the hell can I find anything when there are tens of thousands of presets to sort through. This is the existential crisis Eric talked about on the Sonicstate video

The answer they came up with is don't sort through tens of thousands of presets while they gave you the ability to do so if you choose that's not the paradigm they went with

Let's say you own Omnisphere, you own Trilian, and perhaps a 3rd party libraries that like Trilian are focused on bass sounds. Then let's say you are working on a musical idea and you think hey I need a bass sound.

You could pull up the search all feature and search through thousands upon thousands of bass sounds and several hours later find something you want. THAT IS THE HELL SCAPE. What search term are you going to use? What tags? You will end up just searching for "bass" or "synth bass"

Soto get your bass sound rather than use search all, you can say "you know I want an analog synth type bass sound". As such I don't need to search through thousands of presets of bass guitars. So rather than search though everything why don't I go to the "Analog Vibes' and look at the bass presets there, and if I don't find what I am looking for there, I can go to the "Electronic Underground" section. If you do that you will probably find that there are some patches that were also in the "Analog Vibes'" section. That's not a bad thing that's a good thing.

Now maybe after doing that you say, you know what I want to go in a different direction and see what I can find in Trilian so let me search there, or you could search in the user section for 3rd party libraries you have installed if you have any

The end result is a much faster more pleasant experience for the majority of users. Like everything else there was no way to make everyone happy

I much prefer the new way where the same patch can be listed in multiple categories. It's much more efficient

And yes there are multiple ways to tag things including the old system, if they didn't do that many people would complain

[Caine123]

i will be back later, but with the Soundpacks, if you choose one it should list ALL presets by default like in Omnisphere 2 and then you can like now also choose tags. but you always have to choose a directory :/

[jbraner]

So rather than search though everything why don't I go to the "Analog Vibes' and look at the bass presets there, and if I don't find what I am looking for there, I can go to the "Electronic Underground"

But how do you find your tweaked presets that are similar to these?
You have to look in a totally separate place - ie "user" patches.

I do understand that you can't please everybody - and I don't imagine that it's easy to organise this many presets - but just sayin...

[IvyBirds]

So rather than search though everything why don't I go to the "Analog Vibes' and look at the bass presets there, and if I don't find what I am looking for there, I can go to the "Electronic Underground"

But how do you find your tweaked presets that are similar to these?
You have to look in a totally separate place - ie "user" patches.

I do understand that you can't please everybody - and I don't imagine that it's easy to organise this many presets - but just sayin...

Why would my user created patches be included in the factory presets? It's not a factory preset anymore

I would much rather search for my user created patches in my user library where it logically belongs

Maybe I took a factory pad sound from the "Ambient Dreams" section. Maybe I changed the envelope to have a much sharper attack and swapped out the filter, then changed the reverb and added a compressor

The end result is now a cool bass sound with a percussive attack and a short release. Should that patch then be stored with the ambient pad sounds in "Ambient Dreams"? Or would the user library be more appropriate?

[Funky40]

Maybe I took a factory pad sound from the "Ambient Dreams" section. Maybe I changed the envelope to have a much sharper attack and swapped out the filter, then changed the reverb and added a compressor

it HAS to be possible to save an altered factory preset at same location !
Cause: maybe i just adjusted the Reverb slightly and nothing else, no ?

Saving "that", me beeing forced to save it as a user preset, renders a synth a piece of shit for my taste. So many HW workstations/Synths were setup like that,.."that" HAD some impact me leaving HW when it comes to Synths.

a Factory library is just that.True.
But if "I" alter something just sligfhtly, the sound beeing same, is that sound in my brain still part of the factory library and NOT part of "my" user lybrary.

This stuff makes Tools shine or is rendering them sort of unusable for me !
A slight personalisation of the factory library must be possible.
Leave it to the user !

[Gam456]

Do they removed the hardware section ?

[DrGonzo]

Why would my user created patches be included in the factory presets? It's not a factory preset anymore

I would much rather search for my user created patches in my user library where it logically belongs

For many a sound is just a sound, and don't care about if the sound belongs in the User area or Factory area. Most musicians I worked with wouldn't even know the difference.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

You could pull up the search all feature and search through thousands upon thousands of bass sounds and several hours later find something you want.

Why would you do that?

Search ALL > Bass > Synth Bass > Analog > Distorted > Short Release

The above is not a recreation of how any particular synth has it. But it's a way to cut through thousands upon thoudands of sounds, in a very fast manner.
The thought of spending many hundreds on many thousands of preset (Something that i feel is not uncommon for Omni users) and them not being part of the wider pool makes no sense. Bing able to include such sounds seems to have been the main impetus behind OMNITAG.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And yes, I would want all my own sounds to be within the same searchable pool.

[IvyBirds]

Why would my user created patches be included in the factory presets? It's not a factory preset anymore

I would much rather search for my user created patches in my user library where it logically belongs

For many a sound is just a sound, and don't care about if the sound belongs in the User area or Factory area. Most musicians I worked with wouldn't even know the difference.

Awesome so if you don't care and don't know the difference when do you care where it's stored?

Wouldn't it be better to have a collection of modified presets that you yourself have personalized to suit your personal tastes all in one place?

The alternative is to store them along side thousands of factory presets in various directories you didn't modify and try to find them. So a month later you are trying to remember which factory library that cool pad sound you made from a modified preset was stored in and what it was called. Did you store it in Ambient Dreams or was it in SFX Organic? Oh wait it was in Analog Vibes, no that's not it it was in Retro Vibes

How would that be better? When you could just go to your user pool

How is that better?

[noiseboyuk]

I am going to 100% disagree with your premise

I actually half agree with yours. The idea behind the 18 new directories - great (as I, in fact, said). It'll get really good results fast for a lot of people a lot of the time. That's not the problem. This is:

Let's say you own Omnisphere, you own Trilian, and perhaps a 3rd party libraries that like Trilian are focused on bass sounds. Then let's say you are working on a musical idea and you think hey I need a bass sound.

You could pull up the search all feature and search through thousands upon thousands of bass sounds and several hours later find something you want. THAT IS THE HELL SCAPE.

This is the half I don't agree with. Because it's a straw man.

Many of us have been in this exact scenario for years. But somehow it's not a hellscape for us. We don't click Synth Bass in ALL, and spend a week going through them one by one. We use the tags to get the results down to a manageable amount. I'm never searching "thousands and thousands" of bass sounds. It's literally never happened to me.

I might go bass, analog, funky. A pretty popular and common combo. Of my 28,000 patches in Omni 2, I get 90 returned.

How about something a shade more esoteric? A playable texture, mysterious and psychoacoustic. 20 returned.

A quirky riser transition? 9.

Are those the ONLY 9 that might fit that particular criteria? Of course not. But they'll likely be a damn good starting point.

This is how thousands of Omnisphere users work. And that option has just been closed to all of us.

This is not progress. There was zero need to break it for all these people in order to have made things easier for a different group of people. As I said, there was absolutely nothing to stop them adding curated categories within the factory library that will work in the exact same way we now have it - but keeping the compatibility with the rest of their products along with third party.

That ship has most definitely sailed. There are things they can do to make things a lot better, however.