yrg thread

[tapper mike]

No worries mate.
Yes I know the difference between velocity and volume.
When I pure tap (ass opposed to tap on the key triggers) on my ztar I route my pots accordingly so I can toggle attack values.

All I'm saying is the D and G strings have less response regardles of the settings. do a slow upstroke with a pick and look at the sensor lights and listend. the two high strings light up the two lower strings light up. the middle two don't light up.

Yes I've adjusted the string tension over and over again to get a better response. I'm not seeing it and not hearing it.

[torque138]

Yes, very slow playing going on in those videos.

I actually cut out some of the faster things because they didn't go so well. It's challenging to play fast on and get accuracy on the YRG. It can freak out a bit with a bunch of closely timed hammer-ons, for example. i'm also finding I have to retrain my brain a bit to use it as my playing style doesn't work with it much.

My compromise is to record midi at a slower speed and then bring it to tempo. That doesn't really help performance, though.

[tapper mike]

With regards to the inconsistant triggering between strings, is it possible to stretch the strings individually to assess if they have the same "give"? It may be possible that they have shipped from the factory inconsistant tension accross the strings?
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When you get it look from the but of the guitar at the brind. You'll find phillips screws where you can adjust the tension.

[tapper mike]

Yes, very slow playing going on in those videos.

I actually cut out some of the faster things because they didn't go so well. It's challenging to play fast on and get accuracy on the YRG. It can freak out a bit with a bunch of closely timed hammer-ons, for example. i'm also finding I have to retrain my brain a bit to use it as my playing style doesn't work with it much.

My compromise is to record midi at a slower speed and then bring it to tempo. That doesn't really help performance, though.

I hope you don't think I was downing you or your performance. I too play some slow stuff.

it's string acttion over the neck it's too low and doesn't give you the fight you are used to with with regular guitars. Also the neck is too fat.
One can atleast get a solid foothold on an ez-eg.

Anyway I'm giving my YRG a few more days to get the kinks out.

[Elantric]

Annode

Excellent post!

But a few corrections:

"In the case of the YRG, the velocity is set to a range between 49- 100 and something, I forget, but it's a fixed range so far."

While the MIDI spec supports a MIDI NOTE ON VELOCITY value range between 0-127, with the present firmware in the shipping You Rock Guitar, the MIDI Note On Velocity value range is currently restricted to values between 49-120.

[polaris20]

The velocity fall off on the middle two strings (D&G) are annoying as hell.

Just to mention Mike, velocity and string sensitivity are different animals.
The velocity is the range of say volume level we have from the most quiet sound to the loudest sound the guitar will make through the midi velocity data range.

The string sensitivity is the measure of how firmly we need to strike the string to get it to sound it's loudest as well as the most minimal force needed which will sound a note.

In the case of the YRG, the velocity is set to a range between 49- 100 and something, I forget, but it's a fixed range so far.
On the other hand, the analog triggering system sensitivity has two variables I know of so far...the string tension and an analog/digital threshold level set internally.

In theory, if you strike the string twice as forcefully as what's needed to create a velocity level of 127(loudest), it will go no louder then the velocity of 127.
The reverse should also be true. If the struck string is 1 half the force needed to create a velocity level of 49, it will still output a vel level of 49.

Sorry if it seems like i'm lecturing. No disrespect intended.

From the sound of it, it seems that string sensitivity is more of an issue currently than the available velocity range.

[torque138]

Nah, just providing context. Though I am awaiting the "U SUKKK!!!" comments on youtube.

I haven't played any of the other midi guitars, so I can only speak about this one. I'd love to try a Ztar.

I agree about the "action." It's often hard to tell what string i'm on in general.

I hope you don't think I was downing you or your performance. I too play some slow stuff.

it's string acttion over the neck it's too low and doesn't give you the fight you are used to with with regular guitars. Also the neck is too fat.
One can atleast get a solid foothold on an ez-eg.

Anyway I'm giving my YRG a few more days to get the kinks out.

[torque138]

for me, it's absolutely the velocity range.

From the sound of it, it seems that string sensitivity is more of an issue currently than the available velocity range.

[tapper mike]

for me, it's absolutely the velocity range.

If it is and if you get a ztar then I would advise not buying a baby. get a z5 or a z7 and stick to your current techniques.
Tapping with velocity on the left hand is near impossible to control due to armature. and velocity goes out the window when you set a yrg to tap mode.

On a ztar - while one can't do full bar chords tapping with thee right. Comping and moveables along with melodic playing with velocity dynamis is fairly easy with some practice.

[polaris20]

for me, it's absolutely the velocity range.

From the sound of it, it seems that string sensitivity is more of an issue currently than the available velocity range.

Isn't the fact that you really have to hit the strings a bit of a problem too though?

[annode]

I have managed to set the internal velocity down to zero!
I have just started to verify what I have done...give me 30 mins or less for this.
If it is actually working, i'll post how I did it.

[annode]

I have managed to set the internal velocity down to zero!
I have just started to verify what I have done...give me 30 mins or less for this.
If it is actually working, i'll post how I did it.

Ok. The setting change seems not to have effected the velocity range.(the lower vels in the removed pix were a fluke.)
It seems to have lowered the global string sensitivity...which is what we want anyway.
I'm now able to strum chords very cleanly although the picking accuracy is much better, zero setting seems to be too sensitive and getting mis-reads. (signal to noise thing)

How I did it;
- download these;
http://inspired.com/yourockguitar/updates/tools/
http://inspired.com/yourockguitar/updates/betas/
http://inspired.com/yourockguitar/updates/upgrades/

Install the QT Librarian.
Copy the YRG_ControlPanel.exe into that folder.(Program Files/YRG_App) (windows)
Run ControlPanel exe. (make sure no midi devices are running and your YRGuitar is on and connected by the USB driver...just as if you were playing the guitar)

Notice the Global settings on right.
For what it's worth, I sett the "Volume" to 127max. Click on "Set" button.
More importantly I set the "String Sensitivity" to 0 zero, which seems to be too sensitive. I'm now trying a setting of 1. (range is 0-3) Click on "Set" button.
Close app by Xing out and bring up your midi host.

[annode]

Oh...forgot to mention....
After the above is finished, you can now tighten up then loss string tension...but be careful not to over-tighten beyond what's necessary since the string could break something.

[torque138]

those are the same problem. Velocity range of 1-48 makes no sound. That's partly why you have to strike them fairly hard.

for me, it's absolutely the velocity range.

From the sound of it, it seems that string sensitivity is more of an issue currently than the available velocity range.

Isn't the fact that you really have to hit the strings a bit of a problem too though?

[annode]

Be sure to note that "slide" button on the guitar will cause pitch bend data to be transmitted as you play.(depending on fingering)
Hammer-ons will xmit pitch data and you dont want that now.