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woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:49 pm

Great stuff URS, when can I buy it. For those waiting, "Serum" style drag and drop modulation, it seems like you can modulate nearly every parameter including all the fx parametrs. Very easy to navigate and start creating.Sounds exactly like I thought it would, perfect.

You can reorder the fx path hahah brill, a lot of drag and drop here.

Sorry have to go and play

kyodeejay · Post by **kyodeejay** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:02 pm

FR: Fine tunning oscillators. Only that (Unless it's hidden)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:02 pm

kyodeejay wrote:FR: Fine tunning oscillators. Only that (Unless it's hidden)

Shift+drag Semitone knob.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:05 pm

kyodeejay wrote:FR: Fine tunning oscillators. Only that (Unless it's hidden)

Of course there's Detune for when you need to detune single oscillators.

Furthermore, Suboscs can be detuned by shift-drag of their tune knobs.

Lastly, drag the ModMatrix onto a semitone/octave control to harvest +/- 24 semi in continuous fashion, via the ModMatrix

kyodeejay · Post by **kyodeejay** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:17 pm

I need to detune supersaw oscillators, like I can do in my old Sylenth1. I'd be happy if you add it as a modulation target (or you replace the vibrato thing). I discovered myselft that subosc could be detuned, but it's a bit... well, weird. And detuning in this way unbalance the general pitch. I know you have a global fine tune, but, why do it difficult?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:22 pm

kyodeejay wrote:I need to detune supersaw oscillators, like I can do in my old Sylenth1. I'd be happy if you add it as a modulation target (or you replace the vibrato thing). I discovered myselft that subosc could be detuned, but it's a bit... well, weird. And detuning in this way unbalance the general pitch. I know you have a global fine tune, but, why do it difficult?

Well, the idea is that if you need a supersaw on one note, take up to 16 from a single oscillator. Use more unison oscillators if you detune them in intervals or octaves.

Also, detune on left and right side go into opposite directions. You can get 32 supersaws from the two main Oscs and detune them accordingly, and keep the Subs out of the game.

It's a slightly different thinking than Sylenth1, in some cases the "difficulty" is to let go of the known workarounds.

kyodeejay · Post by **kyodeejay** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:08 pm

Urs wrote:detune on left and right side go into opposite directions

I like it. But, does that mean that detuning just one supersaw osc will unbalance the pitch? (I cannot test it until this night). If it does, that's why I said that it's better the classic finetune approach

I need more time to decide if it can replace any of my synths (Spire/Sylenth/Toxic). And I dont know if this is a bug, but it seems to use the same CPU than Spire in my PC Win 8.1, 32 bits / 32 bits FL Studio. I tested it with osc+subosc without effects, I dont use them, just one filter. Maybe isn't as CPU friendly as Sylenth1, but it's better than Diva

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:12 pm

I think Urs meant that the detune law is inversed for each osc. And that + and - sides are asymmetric. Example with 3 unison voices:

Osc 1: -3 0 5
Osc 2: -5 0 3

I'm not sure if this is correct, Urs knows better of course.

CPU usage is really low here, much better than Spire or Diva.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:21 pm

Just started checking the public beta of Hive.

The Unison of Hive sounds graet indeed. I just tried to find something comparable along my many synths and one that is quite close, at least for Hive patch that i used for comparison, is the Korg Mono/Poly plugin (the limit of Unison voices there is 16 like in Hive). The CPU use of Hive seems to be indeed very low, even with a higher amount of unison voices. In comparison e.g. Mono/Poly seems to use a lot more CPU. Of course the features of those two synths are difficult to compare and Hive offers a multimode (or even dual multimode) filter.
That low CPU use reminds me a bit of using DUNE 2 with the Multisaws which compared to the "real" Unsion uses much less CPU there.

So far from the 3 modes in Hive i prefer the "Dirty" mode. The other are maybe a bit too clean for my taste.

While Diva uses a lot more CPU than Hive i admit that i still love the "good old" Supersaw included there.

This does not always have to be detuned up to maximum to sound great, same with the unison in Hive.

sl1914 · Post by **sl1914** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:00 pm

I tested this beta and noticed something that looks like a bug.
I made a 12bar midi clip in Live9's Session view.
Used ARP preset Super Groove.
When the clip is played the first time sounds like it should.
But when the clip restarts from beginning theARP sequence sounds totally different.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:03 pm

sl1914 wrote:I tested this beta and noticed something that looks like a bug.
I made a 12bar midi clip in Live9's Session view.
Used ARP preset Super Groove.
When the clip is played the first time sounds like it should.
But when the clip restarts from beginning theARP sequence sounds totally different.

It would be great to get a Live set with this. However, most of u-he has taken off to their homes and families. Bugfixes have to wait for January

TwoToneshuzz · Post by **TwoToneshuzz** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:10 pm

Looks nice, now it will be nice to get a plug in from U-he that is billed as being low CPU usage.

Pressewerk looks good too, oh my another expensive month coming up...

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:43 pm

First impressions:

- Sounds good

- Sylenth patches don't tranlate well. Complete different envelopes behaviour. I'm unable to get this squielchy resonant spitting sound like the infamous arp 303 saw preset, maybe I should try harder.

Nevertheless, sounds very good.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:39 pm

recursive one wrote:- Sylenth patches don't tranlate well. Complete different envelopes behaviour. I'm unable to get this squielchy resonant spitting sound like the infamous arp 303 saw preset, maybe I should try harder.

What did you expect, a complete copy of Sylenth? Hive is NOT Sylenth.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:54 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
recursive one wrote:- Sylenth patches don't tranlate well. Complete different envelopes behaviour. I'm unable to get this squielchy resonant spitting sound like the infamous arp 303 saw preset, maybe I should try harder.
What did you expect, a complete copy of Sylenth? Hive is NOT Sylenth.

Maybe not, but given that urs and others have mentioned it so much, its easy to see how some ppl may get that idea.

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