Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Sascha Franck]

Sascha Franck
3-5ms should be OK.
Anything above it and you might need a work around.

Do the test I described yourself...

[fritzman]

How many guitarists are concerned about what is in the ads at all? How many would let it affect what gear they buy? .000001%?

Hm,

that would make roughly 300 million guitarists then. Interesting math.

Sure, some of you claim that you won't get it because of the ad's "sleezy" nature but if THAT is the reason you choose another competing product instead then it shows where your priorities are (ie. not in the sound and features).

Right. At least you got THAT right. Cool.

Ok, next up, the latency discussion... splitting hairs? There is no such thing as zero latency in software (or real life as well). 3-5ms is undetectable. I venture to say that most people don't have a problem with 6-10ms either... or more.

You'll know when you play it if it feels right to you or not and THAT is the most important spec I think that supercedes what is written.

The test if it feels right should be with a rhythm section playing with you. This way you can feel much easier the annoying delay that the latency produces.
2ms feels good to me. With 5ms it starts to get hard to groove. 8ms is already inacceptable for me. Doesn't feel right anymore. This is only the latency that my DAW produces. I'm already 3 feet away from my speakers which is another ... But you can do the math for yourself. Most important is the feel, not the math to prove it.

But, its all subjective. Some people can say they think AT1 sounds bad but then the Stones will use it (when they can use ANYTHING they want). But, then someone could even say the Stones don't sound good...

Oh yeah! The Stones were cool around the time when I was born. For the last 30 years I wondered many times why their guitars sounded so sick.

and then, of course, someone can say the same thing about YOUR music as well (although when you are in a band that plays sold out concerts for 5 decades please let me know ).

Yeah, being sold out for 5 decades makes their guitar sound way better. Cool.

Of course, my main feeling about the importance of the plug-in is not in who uses it (even though it does say something)

Yes, it says who is using it. Nothing more. But yes, it's important for the kids that the Stones use it.

Dear Squids,

my respect for your opinion and what you have to say about the stuff you're advertising decreased dramatically. Not only because you don't get the facts right (see above with the number of guitar players out there and your unrealistic "opinion" about latency) but even more your uncool way of reacting to the minority of people who won't buy Amplitube 2 because of the poor ads.
Most of the time I overlooked your organ monkey style and was amused by it sometimes. But this goes too far for me. Way to far.
I won't buy AT2, because of the poor ads and because of your poor reaction to this issue.


Regards, FRitz

[A3ntar]

FRitz, are you serious? :-/

What if it sounds really good, outstanding...Will you still not buy it just because you don't like IK's and Squids behavior?

Personally I like squid's exciting attitude. I mean, this guys could have not told us anything about AT2. But here he is, participating in this thread and giving us insider informations you won't get anywhere else. Altough he might make a bit of profit from the sale his "hype" ( because he IS creating hype) will generate, eventually it will all come down to how good the plugin sounds.

[Lunch Money]

Fritz, it's a miracle to me if you can actually notice 5ms of latency. I guess 8ms you can sort of barely start to notice it, kind of... so I won't argue with you too much there, though I personally find 8 is still quite playable.

I wonder if you're not actually experiencing 10 and 16 ms? Some sound cards only report 1 direction of latency, while others report both.

Greg

[Sascha Franck]

Fritz, it's a miracle to me if you can actually notice 5ms of latency. I guess 8ms you can sort of barely start to notice it, kind of... so I won't argue with you too much there, though I personally find 8 is still quite playable.

Try for yourself. Delay only the snare track in a drum groove.

[fritzman]

FRitz, are you serious? :-/

What if it sounds really good, outstanding...Will you still not buy it just because you don't like IK's and Squids behavior?

Hi A3ntar,

yes, I'm serious. And yes again for the other question.


Best wishes, FRitz

[Sascha Franck]

I think Squids is quite OK. I also think IKM is just "normal" along the lines of their ads. As said, this is happening like everywhere in advertising. Doesn't change anything in the machism represented in such ads. And no, it's no excuse that it's happening just about anywhere...

However, it's not bad enough to scare me away from a product that *might* be great.

[dc12]

yes *might* be great but we'll never know if we don't buy ikey just to demo it

[A3ntar]

yes *might* be great but we'll never know if we don't buy ikey just to demo it

This would be ridiculous....really. We cannot judge based on sound samples alone. We have to feel how it interacts with the guitar and our fingers.

[Lunch Money]

Fritz, it's a miracle to me if you can actually notice 5ms of latency. I guess 8ms you can sort of barely start to notice it, kind of... so I won't argue with you too much there, though I personally find 8 is still quite playable.

Try for yourself. Delay only the snare track in a drum groove.

Sascha, as you are no doubt aware, I am primarily a guitarist.

You are discussing two different things. When I play my track back, all of the parts recorded so far are in sync.

When I play the guitar and am reacting to the track I'm playing along with, 5ms is not noticeable. I can't remember the physics of it (some people seem to have it memorized) but it's certainly less latency than playing a real amp only a matter of meters away.

What I'm saying isn't that 5ms won't be enough of a difference between parts to cause noticeable problems. What I'M saying is that when you're playing along to a track, you simply cannot notice a 5ms delay in a way that it will distract from your playing. If that's the case, then the only time you'll be comfortable playing is when your band is all huddled around you and you are right next to your amp, in which case I feel sorry for you.

Greg

[Watto]

Another possible conclusion to be drawn is that Sascha is a much better, and therefore fussier, guitarist? I don't even know if that's true, but I know I'm MUCH fussier about latency as a keyboard player than other keyboard players... not implying that I'm the shit, but I DO have good time!

Now, don't get cranky at me, Lunch!

[Lunch Money]

Well, he's definitely a much better guitarist than me. That's not in question.

On the other hand, a really good guitarist can play in the craziest of situations. Suddenly your monitor f**ks off on you, and you still keep playing. Your girlfriend nags you from the other room, which is sort of distracting, but you keep playing....

Honestly. 5ms? You people are nuts. I can only conclude that you're talking about 10ms... or that you're completely loopy. 5ms will barely cause phase errors (when playing back... it won't be an issue while tracking), never mind an audible delay.

Greg

[Squids]

Sascha Franck
3-5ms should be OK.
Anything above it and you might need a work around.

Do the test I described yourself...

Thanks Sasha (for saying I am OK. I think you're ok too but you know that). However, if you can tell me any effect processor in software/interface combination that is less than that, I'd be interested to know. Otherwise I am not sure what you are suggesting. Software vs hardware? or Software vs another piece of software? As you know, when it comes to software vs hardware, it is a different animal with a different set of trade offs. For example, a real amp is a real amp (beautiful thing... if it is a good amp!). But, it is one amp. It is not 20,000 amps and a built-in 12 configurable stomp box and 8 rack effects unit. That's what AmpliTube 2 is uniquely and it is really handy for music production. So, there might be some trade offs but, let's say that with the stomp pedal combined with a fast CPU you are looking at the lowest POSSIBLE latency of a software/interface combination. If that is not good enough then... what other options in software are there?

As for which tunes the Stones used it on I really don't know. But, I saw it there open on the screen and asked about it and Will who is their tech (and I happen to know from working with Keith Emerson) said that they love it. So, that was pretty cool! They also use a Receptor with SampleTank, Sonik Synth 2 and Miroslav Philharmonik in it (same rig I have). So, Chuck is playing that from his half vintage/half modern rig. Nice guy too. I never met him before. Oh and in case you don't believe me (I don't make this stuff up you know), you can ask any of the Muse guys about the Receptor with the IK plug-ins because they installed it for the tour. The AmpliTube, however, was on a Mac ProTools system (a massive HD system btw... they ARE the Stones though).

[A3ntar]

they ARE the Stones though

LOL, we got it that you really like them. Myself, being of the younger generation, I do not give them much attention. To me, their are a bunch of really old "dudes" where the main singer has fat lips and elastic hips ( it shows that he didn't have a hip replacement surgery...Yet ).

[Beardedone]

Using software vs hardware? If so, it is a different animal with a different set of trade offs. For example, a real amp is a real amp (beautiful thing... if it is a good amp!). But, it is one amp. It is not 20,000 amps and a built-in 12 configurable stomp box and 8 rack effects unit. That's what AmpliTube 2 is uniquely and it is really handy for music production. But anyway, let's say that with the stomp pedal combined with a fast CPU you are looking at the lowest POSSIBLE latency. If that is not good enough for you then... gee I don't know man!

OK fine but why would I need that many combinations? I don't. I would be happy with just a few great sounding real tones. With a hardware amp that I feel is right for me like an Ashdown 60 W combo I can play happily in many situations. I do find AT1 clean sounds are just not right. Besides a hardware amp does not have the potential to screw over my DAW. Sorry to be a downer but this is my experience with amps, AT1 and dongles.