Zebra 3 Public Beta Revision 20399

[Esgalachoir]

I have a suggestion that might be a bit involved, but it would be really cool to be able to split an additive oscillator stereo-wise, the way the new EQ's work. For example, you could do partial mode, where all(or cleverly selected?) partials are pitch offset with a binary knob.

[misterandy]

When modulating from the matrix and the yellow dot and modulation depth line turns up at the target parameter, I'm not able to use the mouse wheel to change the value of the target, only the modulation depth. To adjust the target with the mouse wheel I need to 'deactivate' the yellow modulation depth by clicking on one of a few not too obvious places, like the Control bar on top. Click and drag does work, to some extent, but it is much more sensitive than mouse scrolling and sometimes makes sudden jumps. I'm using Logic Pro, if that's relevant. Anybody else having the same issues?

[Itinerant Ghost]

Is there a way to disable the automatic mouse-wheel-scrolling-changes-values?
This makes impossible Z3 to navigate with the MBP trackpad (so many accidental changes!).

thanks

By the number of requests we get from this, I guess we should make a preference to restrict scrolling to scrollbars or something.

Strangely, this never was an issue in Zebra 2. Maybe there is a bug.

Oh, this happens in Zebra 2, I just always thought it was a "me" thing. I have a trackpad, and if I'm scrolling a patch with multiple generators and filters, for example, and happen to have the mouse pointer on top of one of the knobs, the scrolling motion (with two fingers on the trackpad) ends up editing the patch by tweaking the knob, instead of just scrolling up or down.

[Shiek927]

please add Sonic Conditioner and Velvet from Repro-5

Please also add Lyrebird and Drench to Zebra 3. We Lyrebird and Drench.

Getting the other U-he "synth FX" generally would be high up on my personal list of whiny, "please, please, please" requests. Lyrbird is great, Velvet, Sonic Conditioner, Drench, Diva Chorus, Diva Plate, (we've got a Wavefolder so not mentioning Jaws), etc. They're all so good.

I wouldn't mind the pop-out FX menu to break the FX out into categories with pop-out sub-menus, with additions to come down the road. So like a Delay/Rev category, Dynamics, Distortion, etc. with the intention of adding down the road.

Not sure how feasible that is. But I'd definitely dig more FX options.

That's a really fun idea!! Repro has really fun effects that would be fun to see

[sheeepsss]

Here's a simplistic example of my standard method of getting diatonic chords using Mappers:
CHORDS.h2p.zip

Thank you very much Howard!

[enCiphered]

Not sure if Zebra 3 has a modulation ceiling or if it’s just me but I keep running out. Looked in the manual and found nothing but my own confusion. Should I file a bug report or just accept my fate?

[pdxindy]

agreed. And the awesome thing is now we can morph complex MSEG's to other spline configs. I love it

The morphing MSEG's are amazing! Also as Amp Env's!

[Urs]

I have a suggestion that might be a bit involved, but it would be really cool to be able to split an additive oscillator stereo-wise, the way the new EQ's work. For example, you could do partial mode, where all(or cleverly selected?) partials are pitch offset with a binary knob.

The Additive Renderer uses a pretty extreme amount of CPU. It uses very little CPU compared to some competing products with a similar density of oscillators, but we decided (for now) to keep it monophonic.

You can kind of try this with the Modal Resonator. While the partials there are transient, you can stereo detune them. To be honest, we almost threw this function out, but maybe that is because detuning partials in transients seems to be merely a stereo positioning effect than a widening effect.

However, the Exciter's stereo options show how the Modal Resonator can sound pretty wide - without any detune. So we're thinking maybe we experiment with the Additive Renderer not with stereo detune but with stereo positioning, with similar control as Spectral Distortion. We just don't really know where to put all these damn controls, and where to find the time to do it.

Maybe for a V3.1 or a V3.2

[Urs]

Not sure if Zebra 3 has a modulation ceiling or if it’s just me but I keep running out. Looked in the manual and found nothing but my own confusion. Should I file a bug report or just accept my fate?

We capped it at 32 slots. Heated discussions about that. But in many, many, many cases when sound designers wanted more we could find ways to do the same with less.

There are so many ways to do things a bit meta. Pitch modulation for instance can be leveraged across multiple modules by using the Pitch modules. They also have Auto-Glide (little pitch envelopes) and their own LFOs for vibrato.

Always prefer direct modulation over using up Matrix Slots. (Even if direct modulations have been discussed surprisingly controversial here)

ModMath modules can combine modulators.

In matrix slots use the Via parameter instead of modulating any mod depth. Via can be used to crossfade two modulations with a third.

Some modules like Noise have their own envelopes.

Generally we like to encourage a less is more approach. Our content team is going through hundreds of presets for the factory library and they tell me that one of the issues they find often is excessive use of modules which have little effect on the sound.

That said, we are generally open to discuss additions, maybe in a few months after everyone had spent some good time with it.

[snigelx]

I just gotta say this again. I this synth. Days of hours way up on cloud9 I've spent on this striped horsey-god magic spectral sound factory up to now. At any rate, it boggles my mind how a single additive OSC can do so much... delays, crazy beautiful bell and chiime twinkling and faux rhythmic perc sequences from simply modulating the bending of the OSC table's harms using some spectral distortion w/ modifier of choice. And you have to love the magic dust of spectral noise. This is an entirely new synth from Z2. It doesn't sound like the predecessor at all, so we Zeeb jockeys basically got a new timeless synthesizer for free. (I would have paid upgrade for this in a heartbeat...just sayin) 11 years of planning/dev... 11 years it will take me to learn the ins n' outs of all the ways to patch this. again very very much

[Urs]

Thank you

[jnchristp]

It could be just me, but I find it kind of irritating that "Pressure" is abbreviated in the lower mapper-row as "AT". Maybe it would be better to use "PR".

[jnchristp]

I'm experimenting with the math-function in Zebra3 as a way to slew the release of pressure. "Slew with X" kind of works, but it also slews the attack of pressure. In Hive I'm using the Function generator for this, because it has Attack and Decay. Is there a way to do this in Zebra3 that I'm not seeing right now?

And by the way: Would't these Function generators perfectly fit Zebra3? They can be quite handy at times.

[PlanNine]

Windows11:
Error message during installation.
The directory “c:\ProgramData\VSTPlugins 64 bit\U-HE\Zebra3.data” cannot be used.

However, if I create this directory, I can install Zebra3.

[Urs]

I'm experimenting with the math-function in Zebra3 as a way to slew the release of pressure. "Slew with X" kind of works, but it also slews the attack of pressure. In Hive I'm using the Function generator for this, because it has Attack and Decay. Is there a way to do this in Zebra3 that I'm not seeing right now?

And by the way: Would't these Function generators perfectly fit Zebra3? They can be quite handy at times.

I originally wanted to add them, but people often seem confused about them in Hive.

I currently have two competing concepts I'm weighing to deal with the pressure issue: To either make this happen in the normal envelopes, or to add Envelope Followers. Latter would essentially be the same as Function Generators, just with a less suspicious name.

So this is not in there, yet, and it will take some time. Probably at version 3.1...