Live Energy Ideas

[lalo]

i would love to be able to play drum loops by clicking on midi keys. the drum loops would be built in the Audio Part (by splitting a loop sample, or by throwing in some drum hits) so that they could be played back at any tempo! On top of that, it would be great if they could be set to play with Sync and Hold settings...

So you could press C1 to play Loop A. Then while that's playing, press C#1 to play Loop B, and loop B would not start playing until Loop A started to loop again so they played in Sync. Then pressing C1 again would turn off Loop A while Loop B would continue to play. Ableton Live style I guess, though such a general concept could not be copyrighted

Thanx scam!
If you check my midi-part ideas there's something very similar...and at my audio-part ideas there's a
"let it works as midi-part"
Ableton Live style is good...i don't think triggering and exclusive groups can be copyrighted

thanx
lalo

[tjvigil66]

Can't this already be done with the MIDI part?

I use the MIDI part to play audio loops, live, all the time - just as you are describing. Except I put an Arp in between the MIDI & audio parts. That way I can use the randomize function to create new patterns very quickly. The MIDI part (set to toggle) plays a single long note to trigger the arp pattern while the actual pattern is run inside the arp. This makes for a very flexible system! I can also trigger envelopes in the same fashion to create various gate effects & other good tweakness.

[eviltez]

Thats how drum machines have worked for years...Well my RY30 does anyway.

Id love that feature too by the way.

Jorgen, take as long as you want to do the job right.

[lalo]

Hi piranha!
..well midi part is a good comp right now...but i seriously doubt that it can do all of what i've listed in this thread..if yes..can you tell me how?

thanx
friendly and not seriously at all
lalo

[tjvigil66]

The MIDI part can't do ALL of what you want, but I'll give my thoughts to each of your points...

****1. Midi Part Ideas

*1a. Midi part recording assignable to a controller(on/off), midi note, or computer key (see point 2). It should have all the features of midi part triggering.
In this way every midi part rec. is activable by its single controller.
The recording should work in different ways.
Press a button (key/note/cc or whatever) to activate the recording , when the button is released stop recording and start playin (loop or single shot) or just stop. (this should be an option too)
Same things with a toggle method.

When Jorgen enables CC-automatable recording, then this idea should be good to go!

*1b. Midi part loop points controllable via controllers.
May be midi parts can be assigned to groups to modify
them or play/stop them in groups.

Nice one!

*1c. Midi part exclusive mute groups.
Just the way most drum machines works with Hi-Hats (open/closed gropus)
This can allow an X number of parts to be assigned to mute groups. So when a part is played the other parts
of the same group will stops.

YES!!!

*1d. Auto-Quantize with a strenght parameter in percentual (to adjust how much the quantize grid influences the recorded data). So the quantize will auto-apply to the recorded material...obviously this should be a kind of enable/disable thingie.

somewhat useful...since you can already use quantize after the fact anyways. Not only that, you can choose which events you want to quantize as it is now!

*1e. Have the opportunity to control the bpm for each part if they are'nt syncronized (obviously via midi too etc.)
Imagine the midi part speed modulated by the Envelope
Comp (..wow..)

When Jorgen makes the pbm of eXT CC-automatable, then you will be able to add an eXT VST with your MIDI part inside that. The bmp of the eXT VST will dictate how fast the MIDI part plays, so you will be able to modify it that way.

*1f. I've noticed that if i change the loop lenght of a midi part when is playing the changes take effect only if i stop and restart the midi part...i'd like to hear the change when the part is playing.

This can be annoying, can't it?

*1g. Make different Midi Parts to record one note only or a range of notes (useful if playng a drum pattern by hand on your keyboard but you want to have different drumkit pieces assigned to different parts)

You can do this one already! Just setup a MIDI patcher before your MIDI parts.

*1h. This is quite interesting.
Suppose you have a bounch of midi parts triggering some drums/beat stuff. Would be great if you can do live variation playing on your keyboard the actual notes, so when you hit the first note the running midi parts stop playin'...this one fall in the midi part grouping category

Not very doable me thinks - simply because of the way that MIDI parts are triggered with notes already. Although, I suppose if there were mute groups, you certainly could trigger a blank MIDI part (thus muting the one(s) with actual events) & play live while the blank MIDI part is playing.

[lalo]

*1d. Auto-Quantize with a strenght parameter in percentual (to adjust how much the quantize grid influences the recorded data). So the quantize will auto-apply to the recorded material...obviously this should be a kind of enable/disable thingie.

somewhat useful...since you can already use quantize after the fact anyways. Not only that, you can choose which events you want to quantize as it is now!

Yes, i know..but i'm thinkin about a real live situation..where you record your stuff on the fly and don't have the time to do mouse-like editing..you have to stay concentrated on your controllers and performance.

*1g. Make different Midi Parts to record one note only or a range of notes (useful if playng a drum pattern by hand on your keyboard but you want to have different drumkit pieces assigned to different parts)

You can do this one already! Just setup a MIDI patcher before your MIDI parts.

Yes, but you have your parts in different midi part comps is very difficult to organize everything..may be we can just think about a multi midi inptut midi part comp.

*1h. This is quite interesting.
Suppose you have a bounch of midi parts triggering some drums/beat stuff. Would be great if you can do live variation playing on your keyboard the actual notes, so when you hit the first note the running midi parts stop playin'...this one fall in the midi part grouping category

Not very doable me thinks - simply because of the way that MIDI parts are triggered with notes already. Although, I suppose if there were mute groups, you certainly could trigger a blank MIDI part (thus muting the one(s) with actual events) & play live while the blank MIDI part is playing.

Ok, maybe i can think about a system to do it..i hope it will be implementable

Thanx a lot Piranha for all your opinions very very appreciated..i hope Energy will become a live monster...it will be the very first in this area with all this feature set!!!!

lalo

[jorgen]

I think the next few months is going to be really cool, thinking about whats coming up in eXT.

I'm starting on the performer(live)/playlist any day now, and I'm doing some coding on the sampler now and then too.

I'm been witing to do this for over a year now. Thins is goint to change my way of composing, thats for sure...



jorgen

[lalo]

Thins is goint to change my way of composing, thats for sure...



jorgen

Yeah Jorgen!
I think the same!!
Live composing is a great way to find new paths in electronic mooziq!!
Well....i'm excited..and i'm here to give and take from you and others..ideas..sorry if they seems too much ..but i think is a good thing to talk about
great!!!and thanx
lalo

[jorgen]

To me it's not only about doing it live, but being able to set up things quickly and work with "multiple arrangements". Here's an example:

1) arangement 1 - drums
- make 3 tracks with bd, sd and hats (ch + oh)

Go to performer window at bottom and set arrangement 1 to loop forever

2) add new arrangment 2 - bass
- add a few bass tracks with envelope to vst params cutoff and q

go to performer window and set arr 2 to loop forever

3) add new arrangment - chords
- make som heavy chords with 2 x VST's

set to loop in performer

- then I notice the chords is using lot's of cpu.
- simple freeze arrangement 3
- set to loop forever

4) assign midi keys to all arrangements, do some jam'ing, force girlfriend to listen to it

5) set up mute/exclusive/choke groups, sync groups (so that some arrangements always start at the same GCD

6) use the performer as a playlist to make a song, each arrangement is just a small pattern in a big song

7) what about variations within arrangement, I'll try to do that with marker/cue track



and of course, it would be very cool to be able to save arrangement's for later reuse.

cheers
jorgen

[scam_artist]

this is going to be very very VERY cool!!!!!!

[Amberience]

I think the next few months is going to be really cool, thinking about whats coming up in eXT.

I'm starting on the performer(live)/playlist any day now, and I'm doing some coding on the sampler now and then too.

I'm been witing to do this for over a year now. Thins is goint to change my way of composing, thats for sure...



jorgen

SAMPLER!!!

NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A SAMPLER?!?!

... Right. I'm calm now.

Any info on this sampler??

[jorgen]

I can confim there will be a sampler

jorgen

[Amberience]

Anything like Reasons NNXT??

[plastique]

or Anything like Photoshop??

































































just kiddin'



LINK (for those that missed the sneak peek)

[Red_Force]

and of course, it would be very cool to be able to save arrangement's for later reuse.

Sounds cool. Just checking, because right now all of this seems to be possible via midi parts (apart all the grouping stuff that will be *wow*). So if you say "arrangement", you mean something with midi key bindable loops area in the arranger window ?