PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[joecmurray]

I never upgraded to Studio One 7 and so glad I didn't. They locked the forum so customers can't voice concerns anymore. The facebook page is borderline a cult. If you acknowledge there is something wrong with Studio One you are attacked by memebers or silenced by mods AKA Studio One Devs. Not that any DAW is perfect but its weird. You need a subscription to discuss things in the community? Again people who are subscription are known to be the biggest fan boys from what I seen online. I don't know anybody in the producer sphere that loves subscriptions but they do. So they aren't going to be critized. It just seems like Presonus doesn't want to anybody talkning about them unless it's good but all know there are promblems but they don't want us to discuss them. Also Cubase 14 just came out today 99 dollar upgrade and 60 day demo. Studio One 7 149 dollar upgrade and no demo. I'm done with em. good luck yall.

[joecmurray]

The facebook group is trash for example a post such as this got the comments turned off by the admins which are employees and devs at Presonus.

"This post is just facts pertaining to studio one 7 and pricing. I just got an offer to upgrade my Cubase Pro 13 to 14 for $99 today. Cubase 14 just came out today. I can already demo it today. The $99 upgrade is every couple years or year and half.
PreSonus wants me to pay $149 every year and I still can't demo it? It doesn't seem right to me. I know some will say just go to Cubase but I remember when this price came out everybody said it was cheaper than the competitors and that is mainly false."

To me it's a legit problem Presonus is a higher price point and no demo. This is why I think they are going under and are broke. Because if I had a buinsess I would want to know the competion and at least match or compete; they just don't care. Like I said if you even question the product or pricing they come in say how whiney you are then shut off the comments. It's as childish as their DAW

[dastewart]

I've decided not to upgrade to v7 but am still following this thread so thought I'd just mention that I don't have a facebook account (deleted it many years ago) and I don't want the Studio One subscription option so I wonder where that leaves me for community chat? To be fair, Presonus support are always responsive on a one to one but shame that I won't be able to find answers without always raising a ticket.

And on another note, I (for some reason) watched a video about Cubase 14. I was jealous that Steinberg are providing such feature rich workflow updates to their customers who want a DAW rather than an Atmos and/or beatmaking machine but at the same time I had to acknowledge that a lot of the new features seem to have been in Studio One since v5!

I really hope Presonus drop an update that justifies me forking out $149 but they are way off at the moment.

[Resonant- Serpent]

And on another note, I (for some reason) watched a video about Cubase 14. I was jealous that Steinberg are providing such feature rich workflow updates to their customers who want a DAW rather than an Atmos and/or beatmaking machine but at the same time I had to acknowledge that a lot of the new features seem to have been in Studio One since v5!

Try the Cubase demo. Cubase is still miles ahead of S1 in most cases. If Presonus can't even afford to keep a public forum, how long are they going to keep the doors open?

[Stan Navi]

And on another note, I (for some reason) watched a video about Cubase 14. I was jealous that Steinberg are providing such feature rich workflow updates to their customers who want a DAW rather than an Atmos and/or beatmaking machine but at the same time I had to acknowledge that a lot of the new features seem to have been in Studio One since v5!

Try the Cubase demo. Cubase is still miles ahead of S1 in most cases. If Presonus can't even afford to keep a public forum, how long are they going to keep the doors open?

Miles ahead except workflow speed, which is vital for many use cases.
Drum maschine view and pattern editor is taken from S1. Though I like built-in drum synth and randomization option. I hope S1 will implement random functions after this. Modulators in Cubase are great, but cumbersom comparing to Ableton/Bitwig. So for me personally S1 faster to get ideas and arrangements comparing to Cubase. Stability on Mac Os Sonoma are about the same in both daws.

[dastewart]

Try the Cubase demo. Cubase is still miles ahead of S1 in most cases. If Presonus can't even afford to keep a public forum, how long are they going to keep the doors open?

A few pages back on this thread I tried out Reaper as a serious alternative and discovered that Studio One (for all of its faults) was incredibly good at the basic stuff of handling big projects, being CPU efficient and still being able to record more stuff monitoring through the DAW if you've got the near end of a production and still want to add in more stuff.

It was totally counter the received wisdom that Reaper is the most efficient DAW but I tested it out thoroughly and Studio One was just way better. I'm not saying that's going to be true for everybody (or indeed anybody else) but it was true for me.

As part of that exercise I looked at how Cubase handles the whole thing (ASIO guard) as somebody pointed out to me that Studio One isn't the only DAW with the whole dual buffer trick. It looks quite similar so I probably should try Cubase at some point but I kind of ran out of steam and didn't really have the time/energy to properly try out another DAW.

But I may do in the future.

[Resonant- Serpent]

And on another note, I (for some reason) watched a video about Cubase 14. I was jealous that Steinberg are providing such feature rich workflow updates to their customers who want a DAW rather than an Atmos and/or beatmaking machine but at the same time I had to acknowledge that a lot of the new features seem to have been in Studio One since v5!

Try the Cubase demo. Cubase is still miles ahead of S1 in most cases. If Presonus can't even afford to keep a public forum, how long are they going to keep the doors open?

Miles ahead except workflow speed, which is vital for many use cases.
Drum maschine view and pattern editor is taken from S1. Though I like built-in drum synth and randomization option. I hope S1 will implement random functions after this. Modulators in Cubase are great, but cumbersom comparing to Ableton/Bitwig. So for me personally S1 faster to get ideas and arrangements comparing to Cubase. Stability on Mac Os Sonoma are about the same in both daws.

I'm on a custom built PC, and can run 30% more tracks in Cubase than I can in S1. Cubase had Beat Designer long before S1 had a pattern editor. The bundled plugs that come with Cubase blow S1 out of the water. S1 still has an issue with VST3 plugins. Big names like Reaktor and others still don't run correctly in S1, and haven't for years. Workflow is a matter of taste. There are people scoring major films with Cubase, and I've never met anyone doing that with S1. The big one for me is tech support. Cubase may be a bit slow, but the help is quality. Presonus gave me the worst tech support experience of my life this year, and I've been doing this for decades. Haven't had a problem with the modulators in Cubase. They seem to work fine so far. I can run more than double the tracks in Cubase than I can in either Ableton or Bitwig. I own both, and like them for playing around, but everything ends up mixed in Cubase. Originally I wanted S1 to be my flagship, but the events over the last month pushed me firmly into the realm of Steinberg/Cubase.

[dastewart]

I'm on a custom built PC, and can run 30% more tracks in Cubase than I can in S1.

Ok, sounds like when I have some time I should give Cubase a try (although not urgent because I'm okay with Studio One v6 for the moment).

One question thought - since you're on PC did you check the windows CPU meter in the task manager when comparing Studio One to Cubase? It's something I'll obviously do if I test it out but would be good to know if you had a look at that and can confirm that Cubase is more CPU efficient (or at least as efficient) as Studio One for exactly the same number of tracks/instruments/plugins/buffer size.

[dastewart]

I'm on a custom built PC, and can run 30% more tracks in Cubase than I can in S1.

Ok, sounds like when I have some time I should give Cubase a try (although not urgent because I'm okay with Studio One v6 for the moment).

One question thought - since you're on PC did you check the windows CPU meter in the task manager when comparing Studio One to Cubase? It's something I'll obviously do if I test it out but would be good to know if you had a look at that and can confirm that Cubase is more CPU efficient (or at least as efficient) as Studio One for exactly the same number of tracks/instruments/plugins/buffer size.

I've also just checked and it's now £300 for a crossgrade (!). I'm sure it was about half that before they release v14 so that's a bit of a sticking point.

And I've also just remembered that they don't support VST2 and some of my much loved plugins don't have a VST3 version. That's another sticking point, for the moment at least.

[Artie Fichelle]

I usually upgrade my DAW. To me the clip launcher in S7 is a great Plus. Compared to Bitwig, it is just clear how it works. Maybe not as powerful, but nicely made. I work only with midi and do not use audio loops. And since I have a theme and many variations of it, it really helps me to rearrange them fast.

[Resonant- Serpent]

I'm on a custom built PC, and can run 30% more tracks in Cubase than I can in S1.

Ok, sounds like when I have some time I should give Cubase a try (although not urgent because I'm okay with Studio One v6 for the moment).

One question thought - since you're on PC did you check the windows CPU meter in the task manager when comparing Studio One to Cubase? It's something I'll obviously do if I test it out but would be good to know if you had a look at that and can confirm that Cubase is more CPU efficient (or at least as efficient) as Studio One for exactly the same number of tracks/instruments/plugins/buffer size.

I've also just checked and it's now £300 for a crossgrade (!). I'm sure it was about half that before they release v14 so that's a bit of a sticking point.

And I've also just remembered that they don't support VST2 and some of my much loved plugins don't have a VST3 version. That's another sticking point, for the moment at least.

VST2 isn't cut out completely. You can enable VST2 plugs in Cubase 14, and they'll work. Just not supported. It's not as cheap, but you can get Cubase 14 for 16.99(US) a month on Splice.

[Resonant- Serpent]

I'm on a custom built PC, and can run 30% more tracks in Cubase than I can in S1.

Ok, sounds like when I have some time I should give Cubase a try (although not urgent because I'm okay with Studio One v6 for the moment).

One question thought - since you're on PC did you check the windows CPU meter in the task manager when comparing Studio One to Cubase? It's something I'll obviously do if I test it out but would be good to know if you had a look at that and can confirm that Cubase is more CPU efficient (or at least as efficient) as Studio One for exactly the same number of tracks/instruments/plugins/buffer size.

I did this a couple of years ago, and Cubase came out on top when it came to instruments and track count/effects. The only DAW that came close was Reaper, and it was really close. S1 was pretty far back, and what I based my 30% more track count on. A lot of people call Cubase a cpu hog because of the ASIO-Guard reading. It'll really jump up there at first, then level off as you add more and more tracks. There is a live demo of Cubase 14 that last 60 days, so you might give it a shot.

[dastewart]

Thanks, I think I will demo it when I get a chance to I at least know if it's an option. Somewhere back in this 50 page thread I did give Reaper a proper workout and this is what I found

S1 was more CPU efficient than Reaper at all the buffer settings I tried except 1024. S1 used 29% less CPU used at 64, 11% less CPU at 256.

And the render mirrored the CPU usage (i.e. Reaper took longer).

And when I kept duplicating tracks until Reaper was maxing out the CPU and couldn't play it back without pops and clicks, S1 was still running it at 30% CPU.

I think the only conclusion from all of that is that everybody's setup is a bit different so you need to try it out and see what works, and doesn't, for you. Reaper was a non-starter for me but Cubase may be totally different.

I appreciate the info about VST2

[jclosed]

I payed around for a while with Studio One Artist 6 (it was a gift from a friend), and I was mildly interested, and wanted to maybe invest some time in it. But then they murdered the Artist version. And the only way to upgrade is to get the full version. That stupid stuff was enough loose all interest. Studio One is clearly not for me.

I gladly use Bitwig in combination with Wavelab Elements in stead. And combine it with Dorico Elements for my notation if needed...

[gentleclockdivider]

LOl , after x years I finally found out thatyou can break the circuit in the effects router by clicking on a lane .
Anyone else who wasn't aware about this feature ?