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Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:23 pm

Oh, I also forgot.

The difference is rather marked, I would love to be ablle to sit down and A/B the efx myself. I wouldn't go as far as to say that TDM sounds that much better or worse, just different. Same as with any plugin, only ever as good as the person using it.

rogeriomatos · Post by **rogeriomatos** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:36 pm

yes, I agree. it's just a little color/"marked" diference , TDM not sound "better" than RTAS to me.

nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:47 pm

Just listened to those example. At first I would have sworn that I could ear differences (my recent, and rather large for my means, investement in a monitoring solution had a play maybe?).

Then I made the test blind, with somebody else controling which played when, and I failed miserably

I hope it doesn't mean my investement was waisted...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:25 pm

Chickenman wrote:Oh, I also forgot.

The difference is rather marked, I would love to be ablle to sit down and A/B the efx myself. I wouldn't go as far as to say that TDM sounds that much better or worse, just different. Same as with any plugin, only ever as good as the person using it.

EXACTLY! so.. shall I dig up ALL the threads where annoying tweebs say there is NO difference at all? That they are identical.. coz waves said so.

I think this thread proves the point pretty well. Waves TDM and RTAS sound different, no matter what waves marketing department says. Period.

- bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:27 pm

nuisance sonore wrote:Just listened to those example. At first I would have sworn that I could ear differences (my recent, and rather large for my means, investement in a monitoring solution had a play maybe?).

Then I made the test blind, with somebody else controling which played when, and I failed miserably

I hope it doesn't mean my investement was waisted...

Depends on which of the files you did the test. The L2 test IS pretty obvious so if you failed that one then you better maybe train your ears a bit more? However, the other two are a quite a bit harder to spot. I'll try posting ASAP some better L2 comparisons with a full music clip. The difference is heard there even easier.

Cheers!
bManic

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:36 pm

Have you ever noticed that even though two tracks does'nt cancel they can still be the same??

Phi Lion · Post by **Phi Lion** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:53 pm

Definatlely wankery man.

Good topic

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:58 pm

I think it's time to get this thread back on topic

Awwww yeah...

Torben · Post by **Torben** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:54 am

I don't see the point in comparing two as distorted signals as in the L2 case. Which shit smells best?; gee I don't know

Torben

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:03 am

Why not use the L3???????????

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:12 am

This guy doesn't wank about native vs. TDM things, look how happy he is:

dr. orange · Post by **dr. orange** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:21 am

peejunk · Post by **peejunk** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:03 pm

Props to 3*s for the almost best post in the thread (if only the annoying waves boxes weren't posted)..

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:17 pm

I think you guys are really rude to bmanic.Now apologize and go sit in the corner for an hour.

The thing is separating the the BS from the facts.When someone says there is a difference when there is none,that is BS. On the other hand,when someone says there is NO difference and there IS one,that is also BS. In this case it is relativitley easy to prove it both matematically and audibly.

EDIT: Misread one post.If you saw this Torben,sorry.
I'll go stand in the corner for an hour.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:22 pm

Torben wrote:I don't see the point in comparing two as distorted signals as in the L2 case. Which shit smells best?; gee I don't know

Torben

Umm, they are deliberately pushed "too far" to show that there is a clear difference. That's all.

- bManic

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waves TDM vs. Native wankery!

Does the TDM versions sound better?