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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:18 am

Vincent Burel wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
Vincent Burel wrote:
I remind it again : I CAN'T SELL PLUG-IN WITHOUT DONGLE.

Why? Its been proven it doesnt stop software theft.!
by who ? which brand ?

regards
Vincent Burel

By every warez kid on the block

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:43 am

diverdee wrote:I interpret that as the guy saying he likes striptool V1, was interested in the others, doesn't like dongles & will therefore stick with V1 - no trolling, no badmouthing, joking or anything.

ha yes, maybe you are right, it was not a joke

Regards
Vincent Burel

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:47 am

Kriminal wrote:
Vincent Burel wrote:by who ? which brand ?
By every warez kid on the block

what is that ? a new boys band

No kidding, which plug-in maker stays alive without dongle ?
The example you shown (that discredits you for a decade

are software protected by dongle.

regards
Vincent Burel

silicon/silicium · Post by **silicon/silicium** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:59 am

are you joking??
a lot of plug in developpers don't use dongles, even some of the big boys (I especially think to cakewalk) don't force their customers to have their usb hub full of dongle. and most dongled software just have some weeks before being cracked.
look at the developper list here, you ll see most of them don't use dongles...

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:18 am

Vincent Burel wrote: No kidding, which plug-in maker stays alive without dongle ?

How long have you got?

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:33 am

I am under the impression that VB (a small, independent fairly early plug in developer) was seriously stung by warez.
That's sad.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:51 am

All companies are, even free stuff is distributed by warez groups, thats just how it is.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:52 am

Some companies blame bad sales on warez, but sometimes the case is its a product no one wants

Juanjo · Post by **Juanjo** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:57 am

diverdee wrote:I am under the impression that VB (a small, independent fairly early plug in developer) was seriously stung by warez.
That's sad.

Yeah, I got the same impression from this thread... but the market has evolved quite a bit, no? I see quite a bit of developers staying in business and making a living if their product is good, their price is fair, and customers are treated respectfully... of course they are warezed, but so is mostly everything. Voxengo, Kjaerhus, Wusik come instantly to mind.

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:09 am

silicon/silicium wrote:are you joking??
a lot of plug in developpers don't use dongles, even some of the big boys (I especially think to cakewalk) don't force their customers to have their usb hub full of dongle. and most dongled software just have some weeks before being cracked.
look at the developper list here, you ll see most of them don't use dongles...

Most of them are not professional or are in startup progress. when they will have to make money to pay the bills, they will desappear in less than 2 years. Like many others i've seen in this last decade. For software (not plug-in) it's a little bit different, but for plug-in there is no many way. Look on the major company, most of them give up the native plug-in to make hardware additionnal board or external unit...

Regards
Vincent Burel

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:12 am

I don't think crimsonwarlock set out to start an argument. I can see his point of view and understand it.

however,

some of Vincent's replies were *really* funny

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:15 am

And some are just plain peculiar.

Vincent Burel · Post by **Vincent Burel** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:38 am

Juanjo wrote:Yeah, I got the same impression from this thread... but the market has evolved quite a bit, no?

No, the market has not evolved for independent third part, it's the opposite. As far as i see in this discussion, mass market customers didn't changed too. They are still thinking that Warez help to promote and sell more... And they are still thinking that crack can bring the same benefit to big company than to small company.

Well, i lost enough time here, Thanks everybody

Bye
Vincent Burel

silicon/silicium · Post by **silicon/silicium** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:52 am

well nobody said that, but I m sure, at least in my case, that an intrusive protection like a dongle don't help me to buy product. I don't think cracked software promote something (especially for small companies like your), but I m not sure dongles stop something. we already discussed about that here, but for me it doen't prevent from being cracked, and it only affect legit users.
that said, note that eg abletons, NI, or such developpers still don't use intrusive protection.

Juanjo · Post by **Juanjo** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:53 am

Vincent Burel wrote:
Juanjo wrote:Yeah, I got the same impression from this thread... but the market has evolved quite a bit, no?

No, the market has not evolved for independent third part, it's the opposite. As far as i see in this discussion, mass market customers didn't changed too. They are still thinking that Warez help to promote and sell more... And they are still thinking that crack can bring the same benefit to big company than to small company.

Don't really see how you can infer all that from this thread, but fair enough... I wasn't referring to the mass market (which imho is not the market for an audio plugin developer anyway), I just think that there are more audio plugin users actually paying for the software they use now, particularly amateurs, enthusiasts, prosumers, whatever you want to call them. There are also more developers and thus more competition, but at least the best of them seem to do fine.

Vincent Burel wrote: Well, i lost enough time here, Thanks everybody

Understood, no prob.

Anything else like VB-striptool (free) ?