Direct Install? Still waiting.

[buscemi]

Hmmm so sorry I didn't know we weren't allowed to point out glaring issues with the products, only fanboi love. I'm offering alternatives to help with a complaint over the vaporware that is Direct Install at this point. Sorry to have made good enough a point for you to try to shoo reasonable counterarguments away.

Edit - also I'm just showing how they lost almost $3K from at least one person because they are woefully behind and keep pulling crap like this. Oops am I not allowed to do that either?

[Talk Show Host]

Receptor is great for future proofing your VSTs; in 12 years (if the receptor still works) I'll still be able to use the plugs I have installed now. Many of them will be incompatible with the next operating systems. They also work live with low latency.


Nevertheless, I'm just super pissed about how long this DI is taking and my Komplete 5 collecting dust. I've had a faulty power supply which posed a problem as well. It's extra expensive and plugin vendors want more money for the bullshit receptorized versions. Example, Pianoteq costs $299 and they want another $30 to Receptorize it; but the initial fee allows for 2 authorizations regardless.

Too complicated and expensive; not to mention the USB Midi implementation is crap, EastWest PLAY, Waves, and Audio Ease products are incompatible. And so is Komplete 5 as far as I'm concerned.

[buscemi]

In twelve years, the hardware will be 14 years behind Already 2 or so...

[Talk Show Host]

Agreed, but it'll still function nevertheless.

[buscemi]

Agreed, but it'll still function nevertheless.

Well I won't argue that as my counter to it may not be functioning in 12 years either - I'd say both are not likely to be doing very well after that long unless babied.

[richwhite9]

Hmmm so sorry I didn't know we weren't allowed to point out glaring issues with the products, only fanboi love. I'm offering alternatives to help with a complaint over the vaporware that is Direct Install at this point. Sorry to have made good enough a point for you to try to shoo reasonable counterarguments away.

Edit - also I'm just showing how they lost almost $3K from at least one person because they are woefully behind and keep pulling crap like this. Oops am I not allowed to do that either?

I don't care what's allowed.

The thread below was constructive.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212861

Have you tried to A/B as Receptor with other solutions? Not in the theoretical world but in real life?

Let me guess. Next you'll tell me Receptors aren't 64-bit.

[richwhite9]

Receptor is great for future proofing your VSTs; in 12 years (if the receptor still works) I'll still be able to use the plugs I have installed now. Many of them will be incompatible with the next operating systems. They also work live with low latency.

When I evaluated it I compared it to hardware modules including a Roland JV-2080 I own.

For me the Receptor made more sense than another hardware module.

Will it be 'technically' obsolete at some time? Sure.

Is Muse struggling some with the decision to go with Linux rather than XP embedded? Sure.

Will someone come along and build something similar that offers Cakewalk lite (or similar) as the interface and embedded Vista and have 8 gigs and backup capability? Sure.

[c3boy]

Ha, i love my Receptor, it does what I want it to do, and no more. I say people who are'nt happy with theirs, sell it and move on.

[buscemi]

Hmmm so sorry I didn't know we weren't allowed to point out glaring issues with the products, only fanboi love. I'm offering alternatives to help with a complaint over the vaporware that is Direct Install at this point. Sorry to have made good enough a point for you to try to shoo reasonable counterarguments away.

Edit - also I'm just showing how they lost almost $3K from at least one person because they are woefully behind and keep pulling crap like this. Oops am I not allowed to do that either?

I don't care what's allowed.

The thread below was constructive.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212861

Have you tried to A/B as Receptor with other solutions? Not in the theoretical world but in real life?

Let me guess. Next you'll tell me Receptors aren't 64-bit.

Don't care whether they are 64-bit. I am relying on research and hard specifications and luckily I saw enough folks with lots of different issues - did I have to buy one and try it to see that there were enough problems being a barrier to my purchase? No. It was clear this isn't as mature a product as they state it would be by now (the subject of this thread being just one indicator of that). I was ready to purchase and I saw things like the posts about why not to buy one (and many other posts about issues that seemed to be things that were not isolated - I understand there will be isolated issues on any product) and asked people who IN THE REAL WORLD (could you read that clearly enough not be a smartass and know that I did rely on a lot of information from people who really had them) what their experience was.

Sorry to piss on a fanboy parade and hit a nerve with you, but there are clearly issues, this product is clearly not mature and why didn't anybody care to counter how I pointed out the pros that had planned (made it known publicly) to use a Receptor for recent tours but somehow thought that as they rehearsed that they'd be better off with an OASYS or similar? Hmmm... there's another REAL WORLD example of why thought against buying one. I really shouldn't point out to those who did spend the money that I thought it would have been $3K pissed away on a product worth less than half that...

[richwhite9]

I see. We don't agree and it means it's a fan boy parade?

IF you can market a better product for 1/2 the price why not do it? It would seem obvious that you should start your own company, go to Summer NAMM and bury the competition.

Otherwise you're marketing vaporware.

[buscemi]

I see. We don't agree and it means it's a fan boy parade?

IF you can market a better product for 1/2 the price why not do it? It would seem obvious that you should start your own company, go to Summer NAMM and bury the competition.

Otherwise you're marketing vaporware.

There's already enough competition in the vaporware space And no, it isn't just because we disagree it is because there can be no wrong said about this product suddenly even though I'm in a thread that is very critical - just noting the sudden turn once other criticism is brought into the thread.

I didn't say that I could market a better product for 1/2 the price, nice of you to put words in my mouth - I said the Receptor with what it does vs. what they said it would do is worth about 1/2 of the asking price in my opinion. I wouldn't touch the hardware market, sorry I buy from folks in that market but my line of work is more suited for and more lucrative for me but thanks for the career advice.

[c3boy]

Listen, instead of this turning into a slanging match, let's all just face the fact that, for some people (like me) I bought Receptor before Direct Install was announced, and understood it's limitations on loading vst's after spending months on this forum before I got one. I paid out and fully got what I expected and wanted. It does what I want it to do as a live instrument and Im happy with that. I don't use it and push it to the limits of what some others do.

There are many other happy users of this module, as well as many who are'nt, but surely that's the case with everything, keyboards etc. If I was'nt happy with it I'd just sell it and move on.

I still think that no one should have nothing to complain about if they did their research, and I don't mean visiting the Muse website.

No more posts on this thread for me, it's getting a bit repetitive!

[buscemi]

LOL apparently (if you are referring to my comments/research) you don't know how to read - did a lot more than "visit the Muse web site". Been around the block a few times and know how to research a product by doing way more than that and see that there are problems that block me from purchasing and didn't mean to point out what I feel are obvious flaws. Rationalization helps assuage buyer's remorse, I know, so carry on. I won't bug you any more, I'll just hope that the Muse folks read the reasons people aren't buying their products and hopefully the competition comes up empty with their promises (just as Muse made the same promises and fell short - again "EVERY" Windows VST.. seems a bad idea to make claims like that but the competition does it now too, heading down a similar path) and Muse can reign supreme. Sincerely hope that but it doesn't seem like they want to step up. Or release a new version that brings them up to a better spec.

[jeamsler]

My impression from all of this and other threads is that everyone is speaking the truth whether for or against the Receptor and Muse. There are good reasons not to buy a Receptor and good reasons to get one. Not a very bold response I'll grant you but I agree with both sides of this. I think the common issue is that Muse has not been very transparent in their work and development (more like a brick wall) of Receptor and has made claims that are misleading or even bordering on lies. Unfortunately Muse needs to sell stuff to stay afloat so I imagine they do what they feel they have to but such behavior does not inspire confidence. Anyone could have been taken in by their rhetoric in my opinion. I think their advertising could have been done in a different way and been more upfront and still sold but that's my opinion. However dealing directly with them for support has usually been a positive experience for most so this does not appear to be a company out for what it can get and they seem to care what customers think in some sense. The picture you get is a bit contradictory when you add it up so I imagine there are some internal politics going on between the various divisions. Having said that it is a demonstratable fact that the hardware/software combination of Receptor performs better than any other commercial OS and computer platform currently being sold (I add that last caveat as there are some platforms out of production that can match it). Muse really have done the hard (very hard and laborious) work of optimizing the Muse OS with the hardware. I suspect this is one reason the hardware is slow to update since doing so would necessitate reoptimizing again which is time consuming. I like the Receptor personally and it does what I need it to do at this point. It really is the only game in town in terms of making software vst like hardware. You simply are not going to get this level of performance out of a XP computer or Mac. If the realtime performance of the average XP comp or Mac works for you then great you have saved alot of money. For me I can tell the difference when I perform and I want and appreciate what the Receptor can do. We all cross our fingers and hope that os 2 will cure many of the users concerns with shortcomings but for now it can still do some amazing things.

Jon

[UltraJv]

My impression from all of this and other threads is that everyone is speaking the truth whether for or against the Receptor and Muse. There are good reasons not to buy a Receptor and good reasons to get one. Not a very bold response I'll grant you but I agree with both sides of this. I think the common issue is that Muse has not been very transparent in their work and development (more like a brick wall) of Receptor and has made claims that are misleading or even bordering on lies. Unfortunately Muse needs to sell stuff to stay afloat so I imagine they do what they feel they have to but such behavior does not inspire confidence. Anyone could have been taken in by their rhetoric in my opinion. I think their advertising could have been done in a different way and been more upfront and still sold but that's my opinion. However dealing directly with them for support has usually been a positive experience for most so this does not appear to be a company out for what it can get and they seem to care what customers think in some sense. The picture you get is a bit contradictory when you add it up so I imagine there are some internal politics going on between the various divisions. Having said that it is a demonstratable fact that the hardware/software combination of Receptor performs better than any other commercial OS and computer platform currently being sold (I add that last caveat as there are some platforms out of production that can match it). Muse really have done the hard (very hard and laborious) work of optimizing the Muse OS with the hardware. I suspect this is one reason the hardware is slow to update since doing so would necessitate reoptimizing again which is time consuming. I like the Receptor personally and it does what I need it to do at this point. It really is the only game in town in terms of making software vst like hardware. You simply are not going to get this level of performance out of a XP computer or Mac. If the realtime performance of the average XP comp or Mac works for you then great you have saved alot of money. For me I can tell the difference when I perform and I want and appreciate what the Receptor can do. We all cross our fingers and hope that os 2 will cure many of the users concerns with shortcomings but for now it can still do some amazing things.

Jon

The Receptor is PC hardware. So its performance is the same as a PC of the same spec. The Linux OS dosnt make the processor any faster. Some will claim extra efficiency, I dispute this. Receptor comes into its own as an all in one solution which is more robust than a laptop. Its right for some but not everybody.