KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:20 am

Kriminal wrote:Ive spoken to an expert, and its possible i made an error, so aplogies to all concerned
genuine mistake, human error.

Finally.

Like mentioned above it's time speaking about the Arturia Jupiter synth again. As i sold that last year i guess my position about that one is clear but i got the Arturia Oberheim SEM which i like and also the Prophet V (which emulates 2 synths and got an interesting hybrid mode).

Ingo

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:28 am

Its nothing to do with respect, i just prefer to make my own sounds
also, anyone can make a patch and call it 'juno' etc, the name doesnt really mean much
anyway its done now, i must work...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:25 pm

braj wrote:Why would you delete the factory presets? There are a lot of excellent ones and yeah I can see if you are a sound designed that you want to focus on your own, but doesn't the work of others interest you at all?

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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:31 pm

No, they dont interest me.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:41 pm

Ego is a tough one, we all have them but just like a musician that says he won't listen to the music of others, I personally don't find myself wanting to listen to theirs either. Humility is an undervalued commodity, but those who have it are the richest people I've ever known.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:47 pm

braj wrote:Ego is a tough one, we all have them but just like a musician that says he won't listen to the music of others, I personally don't find myself wanting to listen to theirs either. Humility is an undervalued commodity, but those who have it are the richest people I've ever known.

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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:47 pm

I know what sounds i want and i know how to make them.
Its quicker than going thru a million presets
nothing to do with not liking others work or not wanting to listen to it
its about workflow.

zorniko · Post by **zorniko** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:50 pm

Kriminal wrote:I know what sounds i want and i know how to make them.
Its quicker than going thru a million presets
nothing to do with not liking others work or not wanting to listen to it
its about workflow.

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Viktor [TUC] · Post by **Viktor [TUC]** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:51 pm

You gotta be careful what you make this about. Many artists and musicians will tell you to ignore the work of others when making your own stuff. It's not a sign of ignorance, it's just essential to their creative workflow.
There's plenty of people who will listen to all the presets that a synth comes with, is that not enough?

I'm also deleting presets more and more, simply to give me a "blank slate" sort of feeling when dealing with a new plugin. It means complete freedom without being to influenced by all the presets you've just gone through. It's refreshing really.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:59 pm

The unshushable Coktor wrote: Many artists and musicians will tell you to ignore the work of others when making your own stuff.

Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

- Picasso (but sometimes attributed to T.S. Eliot and others).

zorniko · Post by **zorniko** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:04 pm

hakey wrote:Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:20 pm

hakey wrote:
The unshushable Coktor wrote: Many artists and musicians will tell you to ignore the work of others when making your own stuff.
Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

- Picasso (but sometimes attributed to T.S. Eliot and others).

I wonder how great artists like Bach (who learned everything by copying the music of the older masters), or Mahler (who earned his living by conductiong the works of others) managed to reach such high standards as they did.
I enjoy a lot listen to works from anybody, being them patches or music. And I think the more I know and listen to, the more I can manage to get on my own.

Viktor [TUC] · Post by **Viktor [TUC]** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:20 pm

hakey wrote:
The unshushable Coktor wrote: Many artists and musicians will tell you to ignore the work of others when making your own stuff.
Good artists borrow, great artists steal.

- Picasso (but sometimes attributed to T.S. Eliot and others).

a well chosen quote
Ah, but where you steal from, that remains up to you. You can steal your ideas from anywhere, doesn't even have to be from the same form of art. In a way, we all steal. I can say that at least 75% of all sounds I make contain stolen ideas. Ah, probably all of them do. I'm not always aware of it at the moment of creation, but it's still true. Have I ever come up with a chord progression that hadn't been used before? I doubt it. We're all thieves really.

"We're all thieves, and the worst kind are those who deny it. Also, this is a completely stolen and highly unoriginal thought that many before already had."

- The Unshushable Coktor

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:23 pm

All the really great musicians I have met and appreciated were avid music consumers, playing cover versions even of other's tunes. I don't buy into the idea that you live in isolation even if you try, you are always building on your influences and the more you have, the more you have to work with, like a musical vocabulary. Imagine a person trying to write a novel when they only know a few words, painting a picture if they never saw many landscapes etc.

Viktor [TUC] · Post by **Viktor [TUC]** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:28 pm

But Braj, nobody said that. You collect ideas all your life, obviously. Just, when you sit down to do some actual work, some might find the idea of isolating themselves very rewarding. It's not for everyone, true. But why think less of someone simply because of his preferred workflow? No good, I say.

Jupiter 8 V 2.5