Prophet VS sounds with Zebra?

[Kriminal]

So is it easier to do it in CA5000? Do you get same/better results?

I always found Augur rather good and pretty accurate in many ways.

[Ingonator]

So is it easier to do it in CA5000? Do you get same/better results?

I always found Augur rather good and pretty accurate in many ways.

You could check what i just posted.

There are indeed more simple choices for vector synthesis but the goal was to find how to do it in Zebra.

The biggest benefit for myself is that i now got all VS single cycle waves (as WAv files) from both Augur and my Wavestation. That was done with sampling and then creating single cycles. also got a few patches in Synthmaster based on those.


Ingo

[hakey]

Been suggested before - how about animatable or recordable XY's for Z3?

Too gimmicky?

[snigelx]

I am sorry (and slightly surprised) to hear that Urs is not so interested in this style of synthesis. I can tell by silence from certain others here who I have prev read are not into "crossfading" OSC perhaps are not so interested either And that is just a personal preference which I fully respect. But let me draw back out of this zoomed-in picture and explain my own personal (re-)interest in vector synthesis.

It has actually a very low percentage to do with sound quality (lack thereof...because everything can be made to work...although despite aliasing [which I care very little about] I do like the sound of it) and more to do with the way one goes about constructing the patch in a Prophet VS manner.

To me the way that the Prophet implements programming of its patches (dvs the way that certain modules are wired and arranged as well as the env looping features for hw envs) is slightly more immediate to the Prophet vector synthesis style (I like to program). Now, I have to also admit at this point that I think Arturia's V and Augur sound just fine in a mix. I like them both programming AND soundwise. But Arturia can respond a bit odd w certain vel and other modulations..but that is neither here nor there.

I admit that I like how these software is even more immediate than the HW unit itself (I've not used Korg's WS hardware or sw), when it comes to programming these style of patches. This is WHY I (semi-) hope for a kind of VS mode on Zebra, yes, with the immediate 4 quadrants and multi-staged envelopes already hardwired as they are in the Prophet, but also the way the Env are wired so immediately and intuitively to the style. When I program Zebra from Init or using Howard's (nice..Thank You Howard for the experiment!) OSC blend perf template I am not getting the immediacy I enjoyed when programming the vector synths. I realise this was just an example that he created to get the vectored Osc mixing similarly. There is much more needed to be patching in a VS way.

For me it was just a simple suggestion to look into implentation of a certain alternate mode or fix so that a proper template for this could be created. More of a pipedream as it were TBH.

Of course I love Zebra for what it is setup to perform already (limitless IMO) and I'm not trying to deface/derail it by requesting such consideration. I think that anyone who has spent some time programing these vector synths (software and/or hardware) hopefully understands when I say that going from init to a complete patch (using VS) is much more immediate than to fanangle a likewise patching scenario in Zebra, as it is. So, in conclusion, if there is too little or no interest by the development team then absolutely no sweat.

I revived the thread because it just struck me how nice it would be do marry Zebra with this style. But I do recommend that you try some of the software and hardware because it can be very fun (and inspiring different ideas) to program and regardless of -how- it morphs or x-fades the timbres, the sound which result is just as usable and exciting to hear to many context.

[snigelx]

Been suggested before - how about animatable or recordable XY's for Z3?

Too gimmicky?

Not at all IMO

Edit: But honestly, even pre-determined selectable movements would be a nice addition (if too much trouble to implement a recording feature).

And/Or.. A tab which will bring up one pad and four assignable vectors hw to 4 loopable env

[PietW.]

I want to convert all single cycle waves from Korg Wave Station to Zebra.
Importance of good quality. I have tried to convert the files to my good quality one as I was.
The file contains the first 6 VS Welenformen VS35-VS40.
It would be nice if you could assess the quality..
Korg in Marburg has given permission to convert the waveforms.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-794 ... 0.h2p.html

cheers
Piet

[Kriminal]

Is that legal ?

[PietW.]

Is that legal ?

Copying is illegal. Convert is not illegal.
When the waveform is converted, it will also be changed automatically. This waveform so that no longer matches the original.
If you copy the waveforms directly from the ROM of the Wavestion this is illegal.

Says the German representation of Korg in Marburg.

[quantize]

As an owner of a Prophet VS, Vector Sector was the very closest anyone has come to replicating the awesome sound of this synth.

I do not rate any of the Arturia emulations at all.

[hollo]

I want to convert all single cycle waves from Korg Wave Station to Zebra.
Importance of good quality. I have tried to convert the files to my good quality one as I was.
The file contains the first 6 VS Welenformen VS35-VS40.
It would be nice if you could assess the quality..
Korg in Marburg has given permission to convert the waveforms.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-794 ... 0.h2p.html

cheers
Piet

Really appreciate your effort PietW!

I checked and i found like if you had a softer keytracking in the lower
register. So at C1 it's clearly much softer and more quiet than the Augur or
the wavesofplenty or Ingo wavestation and V set. From C3 and up it's perfect.

All of the sets is different mostly around C1-C2.

Your set is softer a bit, much softer in the low region but keeping a warm body
of the sound.
Somehow Augur also keeping this body besides it's more harsh, crispy (C1-C2)
Wavesofplenty are brigter everywhere
Ingo WvestationVS are also brigther but thinner around C1-C2

I will be happy for a whole wavestation set.

Cheers,
Joseph

[Spitfire31]

As an owner of a Prophet VS, Vector Sector was the very closest anyone has come to replicating the awesome sound of this synth.

I do not rate any of the Arturia emulations at all.

Hear, hear! My view exactly. I still retain my old Mac G5 for the sole purpose of hosting Vector Sector.

/Joachim

[suthnear]

Had a look at the U-He library now. Are the "Waves Of Plenty" waveforms in the U-He library from a real VS or a Wavestation?

If memory serves, they were from the evolver, extracted by dumping its memory.

[PietW.]

I want to convert all single cycle waves from Korg Wave Station to Zebra.
Importance of good quality. I have tried to convert the files to my good quality one as I was.
The file contains the first 6 VS Welenformen VS35-VS40.
It would be nice if you could assess the quality..
Korg in Marburg has given permission to convert the waveforms.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-794 ... 0.h2p.html

cheers
Piet

Really appreciate your effort PietW!

I checked and i found like if you had a softer keytracking in the lower
register. So at C1 it's clearly much softer and more quiet than the Augur or
the wavesofplenty or Ingo wavestation and V set. From C3 and up it's perfect.

All of the sets is different mostly around C1-C2.

Your set is softer a bit, much softer in the low region but keeping a warm body
of the sound.
Somehow Augur also keeping this body besides it's more harsh, crispy (C1-C2)
Wavesofplenty are brigter everywhere
Ingo WvestationVS are also brigther but thinner around C1-C2

I will be happy for a whole wavestation set.

Cheers,
Joseph

Hi Joseph
Thank you for your criticism. I'll try the waves to make it even better.

best
Piet

[Sendy]

Been suggested before - how about animatable or recordable XY's for Z3?

Too gimmicky?

Call it a 2D envelope though

Each stage of the envelope would need three settings: the x and y coordinates, plus the time taken. A fourth option could be the type of motion and acceleration - linear vs curved, etc.

[hollo]

Had a look at the U-He library now. Are the "Waves Of Plenty" waveforms in the U-He library from a real VS or a Wavestation?

If memory serves, they were from the evolver, extracted by dumping its memory.

Nice to see you here suthnear! I was searching the KVR but didn't find
any thread about your wavesofplenty set. Thanks again!

As i had PietW osc set in my Zebra made a patch to try the MSEG thingy.
Just for fun, with only 2 osc and 2 MSEG.
-Forgive me with the WETNESS of the Fx
even more WET with Pw up.

"VS Vectorbells".

http://www.mediafire.com/?thw49196kmqnkz4

Cheers,
Joseph