Reason 9 officially announced!

[zabukowski]

Can't help myself, but this "superior Studio One has it all - who cares about Reason" debate strongly reminds me on iPhone vs others debate (not comparing Apple and Propellerhead companies)

I like iPhone because of its workflow, stability, quality and because it "works as declared and described" (that comes with a price and at the end, it is worth it IMO) - even if doesn't implement every possible feature and it doesn't contain the latest & the best state-of-the-art components.

So, I like Reason for the same reasons. Even with version 1.0, Reason was ahead of competition in many aspects. The most efficient and original program and incredible, fun to use, creativity / productivity booster. And that is what it counts for me the most when making music. Reason will NEVER be like Studio One, Cubendo etc. - it will always be something special, not trying to be a copycat most of the time. One thing i really missed in Reason was Melodyne-style audio pitch editing - now it comes with Reason 9 - good times

I could always use zillion MIDI options in my Cubase/Nuendo, but usually i prefer to do MIDI sequencing and arrangements in Reason.

My 0.5c

[chk071]

@chk071

Welluh, the Proppies are worth about $1.2 billion and they lost about $100,000,000 (7.29%) last year.
Happy now?

How about providing some links to back your claims instead of just throwing them out?

Here is a couple of sources, but need to pay to get full info:
http://www.hoovers.com/company-informat ... 3997f.html

http://www.privco.com/private-company/p ... d-software

I just can't understand that Props are worth over 9 Billion SEK, they have this unassuming office at Hornstull, I have passed by it many times, just a small plaque on the wall, no big EDM bar/reception to get users excited

Don't forget also that it's highly likely that they don't make as much money in years without a major update, than they do in years when the release a major update. Need to take all that into account. Broadwalk probably didn't. I saw figures from 2014 or so, which didn't show any decrease in revenue, the opposite was the case. And, tbh, i grow kinda tired of this anyway. Doom prophecy everywhere really, without any substantial facts as a base. Just because "i want it to be true".

[Numanoid]

When Reason was launched, it was far ahead of the competition as an all in one solution

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar01/a ... orhead.asp

FL Studio at that time was more or less just a drum machine, and Live, was it even around?

But competition has caught up with Props, and it is a much more saturated market now.

[Numanoid]

Don't forget also that it's highly likely that they don't make as much money in years without a major update

Here is the release history:

v1 Dec 2000
v2 2002
v3 2005
v4 2007
v5 Aug 2010
v6 Sep 2011 (13 months)
v7 Apr 2013 (19 months)
v8 Sep 2014 (17 months)
v9 Jun 2016 (20 months)

Since v5 they have started releasing major updates much more often, nearly every year

[Boardwalk]

@chk071

Lmao you didn't think they are really worth $1.2 billion, did you? I just was teasing you, welcome to teh net.
Numanoid gave a better link

[pymai]

The three main updates in R9 is: Chorder/Arp thingie + Pitch Edit + 1000 new presets

Sorry Props, but I fail to get excited

That was my gut reaction too- however I think there are some things in here that may seem small or subtle until you dig in. It looks like some audio->midi functionality that may prove powerful as well. I like the chord progression/scale plugin. While Im good enough and figuring out scales and chords, and other hosts have similar functionality, I do like the speed at which chords can be figured out. One thing I do wish for is the powerful way that FL studio handles samples/snapping/algorithm for audio clips. Until FL is stable on mac, I will use reason or logic...

there will possibly be some more stuff in the .5 upgrades as well. like the convolution reverb that was added in one of the 8.x version. nothing ground breaking but they are free updates so it makes the 130 upgrade price seem a bit better

[kae]

Don't forget also that it's highly likely that they don't make as much money in years without a major update

Here is the release history:

v1 Dec 2000
v2 2002
v3 2003
v4 2007
v5 Aug 2010
v6 Sep 2011 (13 months)
v7 Apr 2013 (19 months)
v8 Sep 2014 (17 months)
v9 Jun 2016 (20 months)

Since v5 they have started releasing major updates much more often, nearly every year

Wow. It took 4 years to make the v4 update?! It was a huge update, but still. That is a really long development time.

[Numanoid]

Wow. It took 4 years to make the v4 update?! It was a huge update, but still. That is a really long development time.

Edit, it took 2,5 years to make R4

R3: Mar 2005
R4: Sep 2007
R5: Aug 2010

(I mistook the announcement of R3 as the release date
https://www.propellerheads.se/press/28- ... -reason-30)

But the long time Reason v3 and v4 ruled (five and a half years together) goes to show that Props had cornered the market

The frequent recent updates goes to show that they lost that, and users that got attracted by Thor and the other goodies now need to be vowed more often to keep on buying upgrades and also for new users to buy into it.

[keel]

Does it have that "return start on stop", or are they really that idiots not to add it yet...?

[eXode]

Oh, joy. The obligatory financial reports that people bring up EVERY year.

Besides, those english financial reports seem pretty bogus to me. The report for 2015 hasn't even been released yet afaik since they have 6 months from the closing of last year to report to the Swedish tax government.

You can see the official figures up to 2014 here (since you love to speculate anyway):
http://www.allabolag.se/5565462206/Prop ... oftware_AB

[chk071]

Oh, joy. The obligatory financial reports that people bring up EVERY year.

Yep. Well, haters gonna hate.

[Numanoid]

You can see the official figures up to 2014 here (since you love to speculate anyway):
http://www.allabolag.se/5565462206/Prop ... oftware_AB

Excellent source, thanks for sharing

So the year ending 2014 they had turnover of about 80 million SEK, or just below $10 million US dollar, with a 10% surplus.

So a pretty good turn around from 2012, when they had a deficit of 25%

But they only do half the business of Clavia, wow didn't realize how big they are:

http://www.allabolag.se/5562463769/Clav ... ruments_AB

[Numanoid]

BTW Did anybody miss a sale at Reason, it just came on with up to 70% off Rack Extentions and Refills

[chk071]

So the year ending 2014 they had total income of about 80 million SEK, or just below $10 million US dollar, with a 10% surplus.

Turnover =/ income. The income, or rather revenue is also mentioned in the statistic.

[Sailor16]

You can see the official figures up to 2014 here (since you love to speculate anyway):

Yes, from this we can clearly see that for the year 2014 they made 6144000 SEK after taxes, salaries, etcetera. Which in today's conversion rates would equal 730073 US dollars or 651485 Euros. In a sentence: Yes, they make profits and business is quite good.

But back on topic. For me it's worth upgrading Reason (I have version 7 now) just for the dark themes alone.

I don't use Reason that much these days, but it's a certainly a very nice tool to work with when you want to get into modular sound design and layer stuff. I'll check out what Reason 9 has to offer when I have it up and running in about a month.