Mike Oldfield using FL Studio.

[Majken]

Hm, ok, this thread got me a little confused.


So, ..., just to make it clear, when is Oskafield going to release the Buzz version of Fruity Bells again ?

In Junetober 134 KC. Thank you, I like the hat. Milk anyone?

/Majken

[The_Hidden_Goose]

I find myself almost wishing he'd sack the technology route and go back to old multi-instrumentalist hippy extraordinaire sound on tubular bells, hergest ridge, and most definately Ommadawn (one of my desert islands dics for sure...so mystical).

I was very keen on Sounds Of Distant Earth when that came out, but since then I've been pining for a wobblier, less "pure" sound. Maybe I'm missing the tape hiss on my old knackered tape-player my dad made for me when I was 9, and I'm just grumpy about it

Awww...it's been a while since a record took me back a few hundred years like those did.

Wasn't keen on the newer tubular bells releases either. The orchestral one with David Bedford was alrite tho....had the atmosphere a bit.

[JMC]

Well you should have made sure it was properly working in the current FL when you bought it.

We did and it 'worked' (Well, the 'Oskari' way of working that is : When we asked why machine V, W, X, Y, Z, ... weren't working he replied that 'the wrappers didn't support machines that used wave tables'. Case closed).

It was only in a later release when we renamed fruityloops.exe to fl.exe (and most of us had already long forgotten those Buzz wrappers) that the shit started to happen and machines started BSOD-ing.

You should also have checked up how to make future updates to the wrappers to improve performance/machine support and so on.

Of course : We should have sued, dumped the whole buzz idea and asked our money back the moment we noticed half of the machines weren't working AND ... but we didn't (and probably never will) have time for that kinda stuff.

Why did you not just buy the license for adding buzz support and use the sdk to backtrack adding buzz support by coding the wrappers yourselves?

Because we don't have time to do EVERYTHING ourselves and who better than 'the author' himself could have done a better job ?

We had, however, no idea how hostile that community was an how much they hated his guts for not working on Buzz anymore and begging for money to repair the hard disk with the sources on.

From your posts it seems you're happily waiting forr Buzz to roll over and die. Again, this is not a professional attitude.

Please don't turn things around here : We politely *asked* if Oskari *wanted* to do the wrappers and we *paid* him a lot to do so, hoping tons of new machines would be made now that the whole thing got 'back to life'.

The result was that we suddenly became the 'Giant (3 man !) Evil Company' that was stealing from the poor little (200 man?) developers, threatening freedom of speech, ... if it would have happened 4 years later I'm sure they'd accused us of holding weapons of mass destructions.

My 'professional attitude' here is that I want to stay away as far as possible from that kind of community as possible.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[JMC]

Somewhat ironic too considering you paid a "fortune" for those machines.

We didn't pay anything for those machines (half of them don't work in the wrappers anyway). We paid a lot of money for badly coded wrappers.

now i now what Image-Line are made of.

Don't worry about that : Image-Line is made of hard working and very capable developers (just download and check out the demo).

If all developers would work as hard as ours you wouldn't have had to hijack this thread.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[VariKusBrainZ]

This is really sad, I fail to understand why people seem to have less tolerance towards Image Line than,say, Dictator Bush

[Majken]

We didn't pay anything for those machines (half of them don't work in the wrappers anyway). We paid a lot of money for badly coded wrappers.

Exactly, the machine developers never saw any money. However their machines were attractive enough for you to pay money for. Obviously this made some people sad, angry and disappointed.

My point with all this is just... Fine, be mad at Oskari. Like alot of other people I'm sure you have your reasons. However please do not discredit the Buzz community. They never did you any harm, the harm that was done was in a bad deal with Oskari. Alot of Buzz devs got hurt just as badly as you were from this deal. Earlier you were saying Skaven started using FL thanks to the Buzz wrappers, well he was most certainly not the only one. Alot of machine devs started out with Buzz cause it's a nice friendly platform and then moved on to do VST, like WhiteNoise, Muon, Arguru and so on. Some are cross developing like BGTech. Buzz has inspired alot of software and I'm still fascinated by the machine devs working hard making new stuff for a software that saw its last update 4 years ago.

/Majken

[VitaminD]

who is this Skaven guy?

catch that goblin!!!

http://www.futurecrew.com/skaven/song_f ... goblin.s3m



he also cowrote the music to the famous (infamous?) demo "Second Reality" which was stunning at the time..

its still up at the hornet archives www.hornet.org

[topaz]

there has to be a reason
everything has a reason.

upset enough people and it will never go away.

shit sticks.

This is really sad, I fail to understand why people seem to have less tolerance towards Image Line than,say, Dictator Bush

[JMC]

Exactly, the machine developers never saw any money. Obviously this made some people sad, angry and disappointed.

Well. There are two ways to respond :

1. One can :

- start screaming and shouting
- threaten to develop 'FL viruses'
- preventing your machines from working in FL
- ...

... which is what they did.

2. One can think twice and see that he can suddenly
expose his stuff to almost 30.000 paying users
and over 150.000 new people downloading the FL
demo each month.

Anyone with half a (commercial) brain could have
jumped on the boat and made a penny. Instead they
choose to accuse us of everything bad in the world
... and missed the boat.

However their machines were attractive enough for you to pay money for.

I was interested in the fact that there were a lot of machines & FX available. I can't say any of the machines real jumped out of it.

please do not discredit the Buzz community. They never did you any harm

Guess you didn't follow the initial 'riot' on Buzzmachines.com then ...

Anyway. No harm done : As you said yourself the few developers that 'saw the light' moved on to VSTi and seem to do well.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

[Haghi]

sorry, need my 20 posts for KVR contest

BTW, I think he's right... or not, who cares... actually, what is this topic about ?

CU!

[Muff Wiggler]

This is really sad, I fail to understand why people seem to have less tolerance towards Image Line than,say, Dictator Bush

Yeah, all the anti-Gol protests have been hard to take, but once I saw that brilliant film 'Fruityloops 9/11' it was a done deal.

IL makes GWB look like a saint, can't ya see?

hehe

[Metanol]

There is this ongoing project to make whole new buzz clone which can use all buzzmachines and effects.

http://www.buzzle.de/

But I guess everybody allready knew this.

Mike Oldfield has done some good music and I dont have anything against FL.

[tony tony chopper]

I think he started coding some protection in them so they wouldn't run in FL

not true: WE advised buzz machine authors to set up a flag so that their machine don't run in FL. Instead, some threatened of making their machine detect FL and delete the user's stuff.

All this because they were suddenly usable in FL. I mean, can you imagine someone getting pissed because a new sequencer comes up and making his VST's format the HD of anyone running his VST's under that new sequencer?

[Mirabebe]

shit sticks.

You sure do.

Oh wait, you didn't mean it like that? Sorry.

[CypherOne]

no shit, Mike Oldfield uses FL? Wow, I must try the demo.