Sononym sample management/browser

[Caine123]

how is Sononym and Samplism on detecting the pitch? this would be neat to sample asap and have the correct shown pitch

[pottering]

Not sure, but Samplism seems to take the pitch from filenames or metadata, not key detection from the actual audio.

[babyblue]

https://www.sononym.net

Just trying this now, positive first experiences. Anyone else ?

No, just installed and trying to remove a scanned sample folder, i don't find an option for this,
exept delete from disk

[yellowmix]

No, just installed and trying to remove a scanned sample folder, i don't find an option for this,
exept delete from disk

Click the cog next to the library name and choose "remove".

The next box will ask if you want to remove the library (from the listing) or if you also want to delete the data. The data in question is Sononym's database for that library, not the samples themselves.

[Calenberger]

No, just installed and trying to remove a scanned sample folder, i don't find an option for this,
exept delete from disk

Click the cog next to the library name and choose "remove".

The next box will ask if you want to remove the library (from the listing) or if you also want to delete the data. The data in question is Sononym's database for that library, not the samples themselves.

Yeah, that's helpful to streamline the workflow.
All in all I'm quite satisfied with this tool.
Shows what kind of sample treasures are sleeping on my HD...

[babyblue]

Click the cog next to the library name and choose "remove".

The next box will ask if you want to remove the library (from the listing) or if you also want to delete the data. The data in question is Sononym's database for that library, not the samples themselves.

Thanks!
Edit: I found it, i didn't convert to lib. But it doesn't seem to be possible to remove unwanted single loops/samples, only the whole folder.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I have just recently started using it and it just blows everything out of the water for being able to actually find something you are looking for in scattered sample folders. The AI is really good at identifying similar samples.

Something else that is really exciting is that on their roadmap (which is public on trello), a near term feature is being able to search by similarity not just of a sample but of a selection of a sample, and also being able to drag selections out to new files. That's something I've been looking for on windows since I tried snapper on a mac.

Go video demonstration which I came across because this person makes Bitwig tutorials that I've watched:

I recommend watching at 1.25 or 1.5x though.

[yellowmix]

Edit: I found it, i didn't convert to lib. But it doesn't seem to be possible to remove unwanted single loops/samples, only the whole folder.

You can certainly delete individual files. In the file list, right-click on the file > delete from disk. Works in both Library and Explore modes.

You can find the documentation here: https://www.sononym.net/docs/#1.1.1

[Calenberger]

Edit: I found it, i didn't convert to lib. But it doesn't seem to be possible to remove unwanted single loops/samples, only the whole folder.

You can certainly delete individual files. In the file list, right-click on the file > delete from disk. Works in both Library and Explore modes.

You can find the documentation here: https://www.sononym.net/docs/#1.1.1

Yes, but then that file is completely deleted from your HD, not just removed from the Sononym database. There is indeed this function missing.

[danoise]

Yes, but then that file is completely deleted from your HD, not just removed from the Sononym database. There is indeed this function missing.

To begin with we actually had two separate modes for deleting files - one that only removed entries from the database and one that deleted files from the disk AND the database.

But we found this to be confusing, especially since removing a file from the database (and not keeping a note that it was removed) would cause it to reappear if you were to rescan files at a later point.
Therefore, we decided to stick with "Delete from Disk" but reimplement the other thing in a more intuitive fashion, probably labelled "Ignore File/Folder".

So, (TL;DR) the feature that you requested appears as "File/Folder Blacklisting" on our roadmap.

[Calenberger]

Yes, but then that file is completely deleted from your HD, not just removed from the Sononym database. There is indeed this function missing.

To begin with we actually had two separate modes for deleting files - one that only removed entries from the database and one that deleted files from the disk AND the database.

But we found this to be confusing, especially since removing a file from the database (and not keeping a note that it was removed) would cause it to reappear if you were to rescan files at a later point.
Therefore, we decided to stick with "Delete from Disk" but reimplement the other thing in a more intuitive fashion, probably labelled "Ignore File/Folder".

So, (TL;DR) the feature that you requested appears as "File/Folder Blacklisting" on our roadmap.

That feature would be very welcome when dealing with roughly 500.000 samples on a HD like I do.

[Gamma-UT]

I don't get how blacklisting individual samples in a database of half a million is going to make sense. Surely the whole point of something like Sononym is to avoid micro-managing a sample database. What's wrong with those samples that they need to be blacklisted in the first place and is this something you could achieve more quickly by tweaking the similarity parameters in the search to downvote all samples similar to the ones you don't want for a particular job?

Do you need to stratify the databases? I've got separate databases for drums/percussion, tonal and SFX/loops. There are occasions where the software seems to make poor choices but that really comes down to how the algorithm is selecting based on the similarity scores. Isolating the search to broad types helps avoid it picking dramatically odd things.

[Calenberger]

I have all my samples on my intern HD. I do not use external HDs.
It's all a question of how quick the start up process is.
Less scanned samples mean a quicker start up.
All the preview samples which are used by NKS could be ignored for example.
All the sample packs that contain AIFF, WAV and others can be streamlined.
And and and...

[Gamma-UT]

How is blacklisting individual samples going to be in any way manageable in that context?

I don’t whether you’ve got all these in one big bucket, but if you’ve got some form of organisation you are probably going to be better off creating a dummy folder for the database and importing symbolic links/junction points for the folders that have content you do want in there.

I don’t really get the point of knocking out things that happen to be in the NKS library in any case. The search works in different ways and personally I’d prefer to have the option of both: Sononym, for me, is about finding things I’m not going to find by surfing for tags. I don’t use NKS, but I do use Samplism, which probably achieves much the same thing.

[Calenberger]

Not going to blacklist individual samples but sample folders for the sake of a quicker start up process.