KVR Audio

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:12 am

For how much this is supposed to resemble Photoshop, I found myself fighting with it to do what I consider some pretty basic functions. I selected some audio and wanted to make a copy on a new layer. Rather than a single “float to new layer” command, I had to first do a copy and thena paste to new layer. On that new layer, it should have been a simple matter to paste a new copy which would remain a floating selection to move to a new point in time before clicking off of the selection to flatten that data. For example, copying a kick drum and pasting copies on every beat within that same layer. But no, it didn’t do any of that.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:46 am

Selecting harmonics (set to 10, ma duration 15 seconds) just gave me a 90 second spinning beachball until the selection was finally made. This is on as 12 core Mac Pro, not convincing...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:56 am

And yeah, it's crashing a lot, it's very slow, it stalls, here is the latest crashed thread. This seems to be a half baked release...

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 org.qt-project.QtGui 0x000000010c99c0c7 SpectraLayers::QPainterPath::elementAt(int) const + 7
1 libselectfreq.dylib 0x0000000139a3548b ToolPlugin::mouseEvent(MouseEvent, SpectraLayers::QCursor&, SpectraLayers::QPainterPath&, SpectraLayers::QList<SpectraLayers::QPointF>&, int) + 9227
2 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010ad4caff 0x10ac73000 + 891647
3 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010accd12b 0x10ac73000 + 368939
4 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010acace85 0x10ac73000 + 237189
5 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010ad04131 0x10ac73000 + 594225
6 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c174f27 SpectraLayers::QWidget::event(SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 487
7 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c13919d SpectraLayers::QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 269
8 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c13bff8 SpectraLayers::QApplication::notify(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 7336
9 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x000000010d00aea4 SpectraLayers::QCoreApplication::notifyInternal2(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 212
10 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c139ac0 SpectraLayers::QApplicationPrivate::sendMouseEvent(SpectraLayers::QWidget*, SpectraLayers::QMouseEvent*, SpectraLayers::QWidget*, SpectraLayers::QWidget*, SpectraLayers::QWidget**, SpectraLayers::QPointer<SpectraLayers::QWidget>&, bool, bool) + 896
11 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c19434e 0x10c129000 + 439118
12 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c193035 0x10c129000 + 434229
13 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c13919d SpectraLayers::QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 269
14 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010c13a5a2 SpectraLayers::QApplication::notify(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 594
15 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x000000010d00aea4 SpectraLayers::QCoreApplication::notifyInternal2(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 212
16 org.qt-project.QtGui 0x000000010c75091c SpectraLayers::QGuiApplicationPrivate::processMouseEvent(SpectraLayers::QWindowSystemInterfacePrivate::MouseEvent*) + 3404
17 org.qt-project.QtGui 0x000000010c737feb SpectraLayers::QWindowSystemInterface::sendWindowSystemEvents(SpectraLayers::QFlags<SpectraLayers::QEventLoop::ProcessEventsFlag>) + 219
18 libqcocoa.dylib 0x000000010ef5a370 0x10ef26000 + 213872
19 libqcocoa.dylib 0x000000010ef5aad0 0x10ef26000 + 215760
20 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49173dbb __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_SOURCE0_PERFORM_FUNCTION__ + 17
21 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49173d61 __CFRunLoopDoSource0 + 108
22 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49157c6b __CFRunLoopDoSources0 + 195
23 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49157233 __CFRunLoopRun + 1196
24 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49156b35 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 459
25 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff4843596b RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 292
26 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff484355ad ReceiveNextEventCommon + 355
27 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff48435436 _BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter + 64
28 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467cf987 _DPSNextEvent + 965
29 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467ce71f -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1361
30 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467c883c -[NSApplication run] + 699
31 libqcocoa.dylib 0x000000010ef59a4b 0x10ef26000 + 211531
32 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x000000010d00656f SpectraLayers::QEventLoop::exec(SpectraLayers::QFlags<SpectraLayers::QEventLoop::ProcessEventsFlag>) + 431
33 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x000000010d00b4b2 SpectraLayers::QCoreApplication::exec() + 130
34 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010ac8745b 0x10ac73000 + 83035
35 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff7511b3d5 start + 1

toonertik · Post by **toonertik** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:23 am

Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:56 am And yeah, it's crashing a lot, it's very slow, it stalls, here is the latest crashed thread. This seems to be a half baked release...

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

I'm assuming you're on a Mac.
Following to see if this is also a Win problem as well.
SL4 has been stable on my win7/64.

fairlyclose · Post by **fairlyclose** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:56 am

I will wait til a more stable version come out - and if the upgrade price stays low. SPL4 is good but was also a little buggy for me on win10 and lacked some useful features - not enough to stop me using it, but enough for me to be cautious about upgrading for this amount of money

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:31 am

toonertik wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:23 am
Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:56 am And yeah, it's crashing a lot, it's very slow, it stalls, here is the latest crashed thread. This seems to be a half baked release...

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

I'm assuming you're on a Mac.
Following to see if this is also a Win problem as well.
SL4 has been stable on my win7/64.

Yes, using SL6 on a MacPro with 12 cores (ashtray model).

toonertik · Post by **toonertik** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:41 am

Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:31 am
toonertik wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:23 am
Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:56 am And yeah, it's crashing a lot, it's very slow, it stalls, here is the latest crashed thread. This seems to be a half baked release...

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

I'm assuming you're on a Mac.
Following to see if this is also a Win problem as well.
SL4 has been stable on my win7/64.
Yes, using SL6 on a MacPro with 12 cores (ashtray model).

OK... keeping an eye on this...
The SL guy talked up some interesting future features for SL.
If I ever went mac... I would go for the Hashtray model

popskull · Post by **popskull** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:51 am

I'll wait until its integrated in wavelab , maybe version 10. Silly for Steinberg to have wavelab and this in my opinion.

be · Post by be » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:27 pm

Is there no demo version available?

I would like to test it first before buying, especially since there seems to be not a single audio example of all the fancy visual messing around with sound in the marketing videos, which is already suspicious. It sure looks cool & powerful, but anyone who worked with spectral editing knows that the resulting audio can sound totally messed up & useless, and a lot of the fiddlings in the videos seem to be of that sort...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:39 pm

Well so far my audio results have been nothing to call home about, SL6 needs things like audio morphing - time-stretching, masking, erasing and re-pitching frequencies is nothing spectacular nowadays and the time stretching algo in SL is not the best out there. But maybe it will grow on me and I will find areas in which SL6 shines, hopefully after spending 200 bucks on an impulse buy

ians · Post by **ians** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:13 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:39 pm Well so far my audio results have been nothing to call home about, SL6 needs things like audio morphing - time-stretching, masking, erasing and re-pitching frequencies is nothing spectacular nowadays and the time stretching algo in SL is not the best out there. But maybe it will grow on me and I will find areas in which SL6 shines, hopefully after spending 200 bucks on an impulse buy

Hi Simon, What are the possibilities for sound design? Can it load image files like photosounder? I would be great if they could tack on synth capabilities like Iris.
They just sent me a 50% off email. i'm tempted, but on hearing reports might hold off

Best

Ian

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:46 pm

ians wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:13 pm
Sampleconstruct wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:39 pm Well so far my audio results have been nothing to call home about, SL6 needs things like audio morphing - time-stretching, masking, erasing and re-pitching frequencies is nothing spectacular nowadays and the time stretching algo in SL is not the best out there. But maybe it will grow on me and I will find areas in which SL6 shines, hopefully after spending 200 bucks on an impulse buy
Hi Simon, What are the possibilities for sound design? Can it load image files like photosounder? I would be great if they could tack on synth capabilities like Iris.
They just sent me a 50% off email. i'm tempted, but on hearing reports might hold off

Best

Ian

For me the only really interesting aspect is the moulding, where you make an imprint of a given sample and use that imprint to shape/manipulate the spectral content of another sample – that can yield some interesting results, everything else is far behind RX Advanced imo. And it can't load images, I had hoped that one cold use imag-imprints as a painting tool like in Alchemy, but no...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:00 pm

Dang, crash-fest.

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libselectioncastmold.dylib 0x000000013cb1717a ProcessPlugin::apply(SpectraLayers::QString, bool, bool) + 1242
1 libselectioncastmold.dylib 0x000000013cb1a9f8 ProcessPlugin::trigger(SpectraLayers::QString) + 584
2 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010dfdbbd9 0x10df03000 + 887769
3 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010e0a5055 0x10df03000 + 1712213
4 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x00000001102c6d6b SpectraLayers::QMetaObject::activate(SpectraLayers::QObject*, int, int, void**) + 2219
5 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010f3bdc35 SpectraLayers::QAction::activate(SpectraLayers::QAction::ActionEvent) + 309
6 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x00000001102bf7b1 SpectraLayers::QObject::event(SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 753
7 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010f3c719d SpectraLayers::QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 269
8 org.qt-project.QtWidgets 0x000000010f3c85a2 SpectraLayers::QApplication::notify(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 594
9 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x0000000110295ea4 SpectraLayers::QCoreApplication::notifyInternal2(SpectraLayers::QObject*, SpectraLayers::QEvent*) + 212
10 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x00000001102970de SpectraLayers::QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents(SpectraLayers::QObject*, int, SpectraLayers::QThreadData*) + 878
11 libqcocoa.dylib 0x00000001121e9369 0x1121b5000 + 213865
12 libqcocoa.dylib 0x00000001121e9ad0 0x1121b5000 + 215760
13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49173dbb __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_SOURCE0_PERFORM_FUNCTION__ + 17
14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49173d61 __CFRunLoopDoSource0 + 108
15 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49157c6b __CFRunLoopDoSources0 + 195
16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49157233 __CFRunLoopRun + 1196
17 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00007fff49156b35 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 459
18 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff4843596b RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 292
19 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff484355ad ReceiveNextEventCommon + 355
20 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x00007fff48435436 _BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter + 64
21 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467cf987 _DPSNextEvent + 965
22 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467ce71f -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 1361
23 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff467c883c -[NSApplication run] + 699
24 libqcocoa.dylib 0x00000001121e8a4b 0x1121b5000 + 211531
25 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x000000011029156f SpectraLayers::QEventLoop::exec(SpectraLayers::QFlags<SpectraLayers::QEventLoop::ProcessEventsFlag>) + 431
26 org.qt-project.QtCore 0x00000001102964b2 SpectraLayers::QCoreApplication::exec() + 130
27 com.Steinberg.SpectraLayersPro6 0x000000010df1745b 0x10df03000 + 83035
28 libdyld.dylib 0x00007fff7511b3d5 start + 1

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:11 pm

popskull wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:51 am I'll wait until its integrated in wavelab , maybe version 10. Silly for Steinberg to have wavelab and this in my opinion.

This isn’t an audio editor. It’s meant to used together in conjunction with your standard editor like RX7 or Wavelab. That’s why Magix sell it with Soundforge.

Also AFAIK Spectralayers is made by a different team independent of Wavelab. It used to be sold by Sony then later Magix. The chances of integration into Wavelab are nil.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:50 pm

Bug: when you process the gain of a given region/file, after the process has finished the entire app freezes and has to be forced quit.

Steinberg Spectralayers