Reason 12 is here

[Arashi]

Can you scale them separately then or is this just in Maschine?

Maschine's only function here is to allow you to use RRP inside Reason (which is just a silly thing I did for fun). You can probably scale each Reason Rack Plugin instance independently, but I really don't recommend using the Maschine plugin and RRP just to have an independently scalable sub-rack.

[EnochLight]

Is it possible to buy only the Reason Rack Plugin?

RRP and the DAW are one in the same - you can’t have one without the other. You don’t have to run the DAW to run RRP in your DAW of choice, though.

Well you could have one without the other. The DAW is the sequencer. The RRP is the rack with the sound and effects generators in a VST3 plugin.

I don't want the DAW, I have a fantastic one already. I just want the Rack as a VST3. I see there was a lite version offered for 'free' at Plugin Boutque a year ago.

But it doesn't seem like this (or a 'full' version) is offered today, from the responses. Thanks!

No, what I mean is - you can't install one without the other. If you uninstall Reason DAW, you lose Reason Rack Plugin. That said, you can delete the RRP VST3 file and Reason DAW will run fine.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Hmmm. Maybe next month. Maybe Reason 13. Maybe never. I have no need for a sampler more, customizable combinator or hi res. Spent some money on the SAM Orchestra RE instead because I needed an oboe bettter than Reason’s NNXT-patch. However, I wish you twelvers good musical journey and loads of fun.

[Arashi]

Those of you who only use Reason via RRP in another DAW: I encourage you to spend more time in the full app. RRP lacks one of the biggest and most unique features of Reason — a single rack that lets you connect anything to anything. That was kinda the whole point of it when they first created it, and people liked it so much that they kept improving the sequencer and eventually added the ability to record audio, and a proper mixer, etc. The DAW grew around the rack.

Granted, the DAW part of Reason is still so basic, and I can see why people would want to just take the rack and use it in another DAW, but unfortunately RRP doesn't quite do that. RRP, by design, is a silo for a single instrument or effects chain. It only has one MIDI input and one stereo audio input. If you use multiple instances of it, you can't run cables between them. The freedom to connect anything to anything gives you the freedom to experiment and build things that aren't possible in other DAWs. So a lot of what makes the Reason rack so cool is not possible in RRP.

I understand not everyone wants to do that, but if you're just using RRP to load one device and use it like a plugin in some other DAW, that just adds extra steps and overhead and makes it harder to map physical controls, so you might as well just stick with VSTs (unless there's some device in Reason you think is really special…and yeah, some of them are).

Honestly, ReWire was a better solution for having the best of both worlds. You could have everything in a single Reason rack, send multiple channels of MIDI from your DAW and route them anywhere you want, and route audio in both directions with tons of audio channels.

But anyway…yeah. If you only use RRP, take another look at the full Reason app, because you're missing out.

[antic604]

You mean "remote" as in the script for MIDI controller? I couldn't care less about that

Eh, I hear ya. Frankly I never used that feature in the 10+ years we've had the main SSL mixer, but you're not the first person to say you're going to miss them. Did you end up upgrading? Or are you on R+?

I've both v11 and am on R+ (the €3/3 months deal). Let's see what they do until the end of the year and then I'll decide.

[EnochLight]

You mean "remote" as in the script for MIDI controller? I couldn't care less about that

Eh, I hear ya. Frankly I never used that feature in the 10+ years we've had the main SSL mixer, but you're not the first person to say you're going to miss them. Did you end up upgrading? Or are you on R+?

I've both v11 and am on R+ (the €3/3 months deal). Let's see what they do until the end of the year and then I'll decide.

For $3/month, that's a good call. A lot can happen in 4 months, so hopefully something will come along before 31 December.

[SLiC]

Hmmm. Maybe next month. Maybe Reason 13. Maybe never. I have no need for a sampler more, customizable combinator or hi res. Spent some money on the SAM Orchestra RE instead because I needed an oboe bettter than Reason’s NNXT-patch. However, I wish you twelvers good musical journey and loads of fun.

Hopefully we will get 12.1, 12.2...12.5 before we shell out again for 13
I remember thinking Live 10.1 was a bugger update for me than Live 10...so you never know!
PS just got the SAM Orchestra RE for £10 as I had 50 rewards vouchers

[antic604]

Hmmm. Maybe next month. Maybe Reason 13. Maybe never. I have no need for a sampler more, customizable combinator or hi res. Spent some money on the SAM Orchestra RE instead because I needed an oboe bettter than Reason’s NNXT-patch. However, I wish you twelvers good musical journey and loads of fun.

Hopefully we will get 12.1, 12.2...12.5 before we shell out again for 13
I remember thinking Live 10.1 was a bugger update for me than Live 10...so you never know!
PS just got the SAM Orchestra RE for £10 as I had 50 rewards vouchers

Isn't current stable release technically a 12.2?

[EnochLight]

For those of you who are actually programming a Combinator 2 in Reason 12, this was just posted at Reasontalk:

Question: On the order front (how will a Combinator creator decide which knob / fader or button is mapped first), there seems to be no way of changing things after the elements been created in the Combinator. I think it's supposed to, you drag the order in the "Panel Element" list.

Answer: (With permission given to answer this ) You are correct! I guess this goes to show that the interface is intuitive, but still a work in progress. There is an update currently in the works and being tested that addresses some Remote related things, such as adding back Remote functionality to mixer insert controls (to point those mappings to Rotary 1-4 and Button 1-4 of the first Combi). And this reordering of the Panel Element list is another thing that is a part of that update. So precisely as you figured, when you reorder that list it will map those remoteables in that order for Rotary 1-32 and Button 1-32

Source:

https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p570625

[festeringheap]

Every device including all 3rd party Res have been updated to HD, you have to go in Reason Companion, select all and press update to HD

Thanks…I don't have Reason Companion though, as I'm not a Reason+ user. I bought the upgrade.

Update: Figured it out. I had to go to My Products on the website and "Sync All" to get Authorizer to update all my rack extensions. A handful of first-party devices (the "optional content" instruments) also had to be deleted and re-downloaded through the Manage Content window in Reason.

I have a few RE downloaded and I have left quite a few dogs (mostly free) behind on their site so they don't clutter up the browser. I just authorize the few that I need on my computer. I've never used the SYNC ALL option yet.
Will SYNC ALL download all these REs that I don't want?
Thanks.

[festeringheap]

I really wished they hadn't got rid of the Intro version of Reason.

It was too good. People would just buy Intro and a la carte a couple other elements and call it a day. They couldn't keep that around and launch Reason+ same with suite.

Reason Studios should throw their recent REs into a Reason 12 Suite, as well as what they offered in Suite11, and charged TRIPLE the Reason 11 Suite price. Nobody would buy it*, but when your average joe started doing the math, he'd more likely conclude that 20 for a monthly sub is a good deal, rather than comparing it to a 399 product that goes on sale here and there.

*you just know, though, that someone would bite on that after a bad evening of drink

[festeringheap]

I've both v11 and am on R+ (the €3/3 months deal). Let's see what they do until the end of the year and then I'll decide.

For $3/month, that's a good call. A lot can happen in 4 months, so hopefully something will come along before 31 December.

A lot can happen in 4 months, yes.

But this is Propellerhead/Reason Studios we're talkin' bout

[jens]

RRP lacks one of the biggest and most unique features of Reason — a single rack that lets you connect anything to anything. That was kinda the whole point of it when they first created it, and people liked it so much that they kept improving the sequencer and eventually added the ability to record audio, and a proper mixer, etc. The DAW grew around the rack.

Exactly! the Rack as a plugin won't really give you much at all of whatr is great about the Rack - I said it before over in the other (locked) thread:

Reason as a plugin is an entirely different thing to the full application. The latter is all about simplicity, productivity and ease of workflow, while the former is about toying around and tweaking things till the cows come home rather than being actually very productive at all - you could even go as far as saying the plugin is basically like the antidote of the full version - like a parody, if you will.

[Cochrane]

I was hoping to see implemented in Combinator 2 a sort of MIDI channelization for each device, so in RRP one can address single (or grouped) devices using different MIDI channels from DAW, but nothing like that

[jens]

I have decided to wait until they deliver something that's really relevant to me - there's nothing in V12 that I really want or need.

- high res? I do not have a issues with the current GUI/resolution

- Sampler? Do people still use samplers? I never really did.

- Combinator? What's that for? Wasting time instead of actually making music and being productive?

- browser? The one thing that really irks me about the browser is that shitty jumping-back issue - did they fix that? I'd gladly pay a tenner for that.

Thanks, Props, but no thanks.

Was that negative enough to cause a thread-lock?

I did the same with Live- skipped about 4 years (went from 9-11), not every update will be for you, which is good as it gets expensive if you have a lot of DAWS! See you in about 2 years when 13 is out.

Perhaps, we will see what V13 brings - who would have thought that I would ever say that about a DAW, but: I can keep working with V12 until it won't run anymore on whatever hardware/OS I will be at some point in the future. I has everything I need.

But then again it doesn't even support MIDI loop-recording, which is laughable, and I would certainly pay for that.

Also ARA-support or support for polyphony in the pitch-editor is something a DAW in 2021 should have, but as of now I render (quick and painless in Reason), open in Studio One and then edit there and bounce back if I need that functionality, which thankfully isn't very often and so it's a workaround I can live with.

Folder-tracks? And then some other stuff that the sequencer kind of lends itself to but it's not there...

that's stuff that would gladly upgrade for. But if not it's okay... I won't cry myself to sleep over not giving them more money...

I'll keep upgrading S1 though, even though I don't really use it much because they always deliver...