Reason 3.0 announced

[digitaldoom]

Hmmm... a combinator of 2 Redrum kits run through the new compressor/EQ... that might be worth $129!

...I changed my mind

Hahaha...

Many pieces of software out there cost crazy amounts of money.

I mean $600 for Sound Forge... for a WAV editor!?

But hey... I still wish Cubase SX3 was about $300...

[Stupid American Pig]

Hmmm... a combinator of 2 Redrum kits run through the new compressor/EQ... that might be worth $129!

...I changed my mind

Hahaha...

Many pieces of software out there cost crazy amounts of money.

I mean $600 for Sound Forge... for a WAV editor!?

But hey... I still wish Cubase SX3 was about $300...

I guess sony still has to recoups since every MS employee has a crack of version 4.5.

[dramsenik]

Hi, i was and am always wondering if in v3 you will have a decent export of midi files and if it will accept Program Change?

Anybody know that?

[jon9091]

The Combinator looks OK, but it ain't enough to make an Upgradinator out of me

[TeeLangSun]

Also, anyone else notice the physical resemblance between the Kjaerhus Golden series and the MClass units?

LOL. At first glance, I immediately thought they had licensed it or something. Very strange. But overall, I do think this update qualifies for the version 3 title, as opposed to "should have been in 2.5". But I did expect the extreme dissapointment that's going on on the Props board. I mean, what else could they possibly do that hasn't already been done to death in every other sequencer. All the cool things that Reason doesn't have are a dime a dozen in every other sequencer at every price point. The only thing that might have saved Reason from some of this griping would have been VST support with an immediate promise to bring all the "little things" up to speed quickly, on top of everything that they just added. And for me personally, some attempt at making the "rack" less cluttered. The more modules they add to the Rack, the less manageable the whole thing will become. That needs some serious attention. A couple smart things they did though was to kind of put out the word that Reason will now be a "Live Performance Tool". That takes it out of the direct line of being compared to FL Studio or Orion Platinum where it would be thoroughly thrashed. Also, they've addressed the issue of the -3db output. They aren't coming right out and admitting it, but they beating the crap all around that bush with audio demos and other points that spell it out without them actually having to talk about it since they always maintained that it wasn't any kind of problem. But since it's only $129.00, I'll still get the upgrade. There might be some cool sounds in the soundbank and I've paid that much for a beat disc so why not.

[headquest]

Most of the griping on the Props boards is in the General section, where one or two of the usual suspects have gatecrashed the party and are spewing out the usual junk.

Go to the registered users section and its a different story - some very positive response.

[AD80]

Also, anyone else notice the physical resemblance between the Kjaerhus Golden series and the MClass units?

LOL. At first glance, I immediately thought they had licensed it or something.

I really wish they would atleast let 3rd parties develop new modules. I think I've requested that since version 1.0.

[drez]

Well, I'm probably considered one of the biggest fanboys here, so I'll put in my $.02 ...

I listened to the Combinator mp3's on the prop's site and I am reeeeeally excited about this monster. I think its going to be one of the deals just the like the spiders. Some people thought "well, those are stupid", but I don't think they really use reason enough to understand what an impact they were. They were MASSIVE! Totally changed the reason landscape, as far as I'm concerned.

The Combinator is going to be the the same amazing tool. I've already read what people have been saying in this and a couple of other threads that "I've been doing what the combinator does for 2 years in Reason".

Well...no you haven't.

With the combinator, I can

-Play tons of modules simutaneously (the max you could do before was 4 with some painful configuring with the hardware interface". Now I can create and play complex layers of various modules easily and save and recall them with presets. No you couldn't do that before.

-Control tons of different parameters with a single knob like controlling 8 filter cutoffs, 4 grain indexes, shifts, etc...all from one knob! No, you couldn't do that before.

-I can change matrix and drum sequences with the touch of a button. There are VSTi's, with wavesequence capabilities and basic sequencing, but I can run as many matrix's and Redrums and start various patterns with a touch of a button...and saved in the same combi. I'm not limited to one 32 step program per patch, I can run tons of different ones on different modules. No, you couldn't do that before.

I like the new Minimixer because it is going to save a lot of space in my rack. I frequently just need to combine things and I don't need the regular mixer for it. Its a needed addition.

The added dynamics processing is comPLETELY welcome! They say it is for mastering, but I'll be using them all over the place. People have been griping about the compressor for ever, and now we have a new one with the bells and whistles everyone asked for. The Stereo Imager and Maximizer are going to be used alot in my stuff. I could use the ones in Live with Rewire, but I think the new ones in Reason sound a lot better than those.

I think the bottom line is that they have made a move to make Reason more playable in a Live situation and for me, I'm thrilled with that! It is going to be a perfect compliment for me with Live4. Being able to program combi's that I can use on stage with software that refuses to crash is a win in my book.

Could there have been some more synth modules? I guess, but I don't really care. Being able to layer and sequence with the Combinator is going to keep me busy until they do.

Bravo Props!

[Meffy]

Most of the griping on the Props boards is in the General section, where one or two of the usual suspects have gatecrashed the party and are spewing out the usual junk.

Go to the registered users section and its a different story - some very positive response.

Yup. And 75% of the general forum silliness is -- gasp, say it's not so! -- "Hey, the Props told us over and over there wouldn't be any VST or audio in, so I assumed they meant both would be in Reason 3, but THEY DIDN'T GIVE US VST OR AUDIO IN!!! I've been cheated!"

Yeahummrighty. :-D

Meffy

[nuffink]

Most of the griping on the Props boards is in the General section, where one or two of the usual suspects have gatecrashed the party and are spewing out the usual junk.

Go to the registered users section and its a different story - some very positive response.

Yup. And 75% of the general forum silliness is -- gasp, say it's not so! -- "Hey, the Props said over and over there wouldn't be any VST or audio in, so I assumed they meant both would be in Reason 3, but THEY DIDN'T GIVE US VST OR AUDIO IN!!! I've been cheated!"

Yeahummrighty.

Meffy

Not even a teensy bit disappointed then Meffy?

[Meffy]

Not even a teensy bit disappointed then Meffy?

If I'd had specific expectations, I might've been. But as it is... I can honestly answer "no."

What's listed in the announcement sounds like good ideas to me, for the most part stuff that the guys who really know Reason (I'm just an amateur) have been asking for.

Would I like audio in? Sure. VST? Not particularly. MIDI out? Makes no diff to me. Are there other things I'd have liked to see included? Yowsah. Will the lack of any of these make me stop using Reason? Noooo. :-)

I consider it a useful tool, right along with Sonar and Live and Forte and FM7 and MMV and Reaktor and B4 and so on. It's not my god. Works for me, though.

Meffy

[shamann]

I'm not sure I'd be disappointed as a registered user, but I can say that as someone who doesn't have Reason, and someone who has nothing really against it (except for the tiny print), this new version gives me no motivation to buy it. Beyond just the battle between longtime user sadness and fanboy user righteousness, I think the Props seem to be missing the boat on attracting new users like me.

Although I'd guess that advanced users aren't the new target markets they're after.

True story: the other day I'm in the synth section of a local music shop. 20 year old kid walks up to the counter asks how to make hiphop like the real producers. Guy at counter asks for clarification. Kid says producers like Dre or Kanye, the real sharp beats. Kid says he's heard about something called Reason. Guy at counter states that Reason has lots of options, could be used for hiphop.

I left early, was getting "Which synth for hard German bass" flashbacks, but I'm sure the kid went for Reason. That's probably a bigger market for Props, and I think they're all over it.

Cheers,
Steve

[AD80]

for the most part stuff that the guys who really know Reason

Oh you mean like me?


The weird thing is my attitude was just like yours at one point . I used to defend Reason and say "I would never switch". How things have changed since 2001.

[TeeLangSun]

I'm not sure I'd be disappointed as a registered user, but I can say that as someone who doesn't have Reason, and someone who has nothing really against it (except for the tiny print), this new version gives me no motivation to buy it. Beyond just the battle between longtime user sadness and fanboy user righteousness, I think the Props seem to be missing the boat on attracting new users like me.

Although I'd guess that advanced users aren't the new target markets they're after.

True story: the other day I'm in the synth section of a local music shop. 20 year old kid walks up to the counter asks how to make hiphop like the real producers. Guy at counter asks for clarification. Kid says producers like Dre or Kanye, the real sharp beats. Kid says he's heard about something called Reason. Guy at counter states that Reason has lots of options, could be used for hiphop.

I left early, was getting "Which synth for hard German bass" flashbacks, but I'm sure the kid went for Reason. That's probably a bigger market for Props, and I think they're all over it.

Cheers,
Steve

Hip hop producers are still very focused on hardware. Software is often laughed at although Reason does seem to get mentioned a lot in "the studio" among professionals. A lot of people are very curious about it because of the hype, but of all the people I've seen coming in and out, I haven't seen anyone who wasn't using hardware other than myself.

[Meffy]

for the most part stuff that the guys who really know Reason

Oh you mean like me? :hihi:

Sure. You're an advanced user, and if you've really run out of stuff to do, I'll certainly not try to argue you into sticking with Reason. It's your choice entirely.

Lots of advanced users haven't run out of stuff to do, though, and are still getting great use out of it. And now they're going to get some of the tools they've been asking for.

I'm a hobbyist, haven't nearly exhausted what Reason 2 can do. (No prob, I see no need to learn 100.0000% of a program before wanting to add more goodies.) To me the new stuff is decoration on the icing on the cake. Makes it all the sweeter.

But I think you've misperceived my attitude. I can't very well "switch," since I've been using Reason along with other music software ever since buying it. It's not my only program. It's one of my favorites, and if I had to put one program on a laptop to carry with me on a vacation (VACATION? Hahahahaha!) it would almost certainly be Reason.

So: I can't switch. I could drop Reason entirely. But that would be like throwing out several warehouses worth of musical instruments that I'm rather fond of. Why discard something I like? :-)

Anyone who doesn't care to use Reason, okay. No skin off my back. Enjoy what you choose, have fun, and make good music.

Meffy