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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:46 pm

Music is a process of communication; it may or may not contain a message but it certainly doesn't have to. Communication is not just about conveying information anyway - the bottom line is that it's about being in contact (so if it's saying anything at this level it's simply "I am here" or even "I am")

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:48 pm

no music is the message, take some communications classes youll understand

RonC

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:51 pm

Yes for the most part anyways.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:56 pm

rpc9943 wrote:no music is the message, take some communications classes youll understand

RonC

If your talking to me I teach this stuff.

CypherOne · Post by **CypherOne** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:57 pm

rpc9943 wrote:no music is the message, take some communications classes youll understand

RonC

I don't want to.

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:05 pm

origami wrote:but saying music with a message equals music with lyrics and so music without lyrics equals music without message is a mistake.

Origami, if you're responding to me, I just want to point out that I cited "Sheep May Safely Graze" forgetting that it has lyrics at all, and "Block Rockin' Beats" as an example of music with minimal lyrics. I was trying to make the point that you're making, and I schcrewed it up!

Also, I was trying to illustrate that music with meaning in the lyrics has two meanings (lyrical and musical), which may or may not be somewhat related.

Point well taken.

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:07 pm

xoxos wrote:
clueless wrote:
xoxos wrote: some of these apparently narrow minded guys arent narrow minded, they're just evil liars who want the proles to continue not thinknig about their shit.
i'm not sure they actually give a shit whether the proles think or not.

*edit* by which i mean perhaps you credit them with too much 'intelligence' (for want of a better word). I don't think 'they' consider it as much as e.g. you do. they just bumble on in a 'higher' strata of mindlessness.
well that's what happens when you suck up a whole bunch of contrived artificial experience.. you saturate yourself with demi-impressions that imprint all kindsa values so it doesn't really matter what you think you're doing, it's game over for purity of volition, and you'll do what the new, improved 'right course' is

that's what i meant, isn't it?

what use is volition in a void anyway?

*edit* so either way you're f**ked, and everything's shit, but if that's a universal precondition or eternal fixed parameter...

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:08 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
rpc9943 wrote:no music is the message, take some communications classes youll understand

RonC
If your talking to me I teach this stuff.

Welcome to another episode of VitD's pet peeves.

it's "you're"!!!!!

We now join our regularly scheduled programming.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:16 pm

VitaminD wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
rpc9943 wrote:no music is the message, take some communications classes youll understand

RonC
If your talking to me I teach this stuff.

Welcome to another episode of VitD's pet peeves.

it's "you're"!!!!!

We now join our regularly scheduled programming.

I know - guess I missed that one - this time

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:28 pm

yeah its obvious you dont teach english lol

music isnt a process of communication, at least in the
technical realm. its the message. I sure hope youre not teaching students this. There are specific models of communication and music isnt one of them. What are you talking about its a process of it?

A conversation isnt a process of communication either, the process would be the different models, such as the encoder -> message -> transmission -> decoder etc etc

RonC

e-modic · Post by **e-modic** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:10 pm

ianweb123 wrote:
emerald tablet wrote:do you think music should contain a message ?
Only when its played backwards..

you´re right, that´s it!
Beatles, on which single was that thing with the devil?
Alphaville "save the dolphins"
Frank Zappa had one too, didn´t he?

Maybe that´s the only message that counts, I must do that also with my songs....for the subconscious mind

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:16 pm

rpc9943 wrote:yeah its obvious you dont teach english lol

music isnt a process of communication, at least in the
technical realm. its the message. I sure hope youre not teaching students this. There are specific models of communication and music isnt one of them. What are you talking about its a process of it?

A conversation isnt a process of communication either, the process would be the different models, such as the encoder -> message -> transmission -> decoder etc etc

RonC

I'm not getting into a silly argument about this - it's very simple really.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:20 pm

When I include lyrics, there's a message. It's in a dry comedic style. I don't like to hit people over the head. That's what the things I'm singing about do. I try to make a specific point without isolating too many, but it can't be helped. Having a message can be risky, as a bad message (in one's opinion) can ruin a good song.

I'm not fond of self-serving or introspective lyrics. I'd like to hear an end to the "baby come back" songs. However, I don't mind someone like Marilyn Manson identifying with the underdog as a form of compassion.

This has been a self-serving message.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:32 pm

e-modic wrote:
ianweb123 wrote: Only when its played backwards..
Maybe that´s the only message that counts, I must do that also with my songs....for the subconscious mind

http://www.reversespeech.org

Klemperer · Post by **Klemperer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:47 pm

xoxos wrote:
e-modic wrote:
ianweb123 wrote: Only when its played backwards..
Maybe that´s the only message that counts, I must do that also with my songs....for the subconscious mind

http://www.reversespeech.org

some followers there... (read the testimonials)