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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:52 am

gbles wrote:Excellent. I much prefer something like this, which expires after a short-ish period. Just my opinion, but I dislike demos that have sound bursts every 20-30 seconds. Nothing like snapping you out of the mood you're in than a blast of white noise.
Looking forward to checking it out!

I think I'm gonna stick to Z1.5's demo mode. There's no noise burst. It just plays wrong notes after 10 minutes

I'm also not happy with noise bursts in Filterscape. I've implemented this back then because it was the quickest solution. Future stuff may feature a less annoying method, like only 1 instance at a time or something. I have yet to think about demo modes for effects, as I guess that the wrong-notes-thing is the most convenient limitation I've seen so far, but it only works for synths

Cheers,

Urs

Derek up North · Post by **Derek up North** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:33 pm

Urs wrote:It just plays wrong notes after 10 minutes

It was made for me then. I play wrong notes all the time so with a bit of luck it should compensate for me - can you leave the "wrong notes" option in the full version

Regards,

Derek.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:39 pm

Derek up North wrote:
Urs wrote:It just plays wrong notes after 10 minutes
It was made for me then. I play wrong notes all the time so with a bit of luck it should compensate for me - can you leave the "wrong notes" option in the full version

Dude, it plays a boring progression of c - e - b - a. But for Z2 I will add a random note inbetween, so it makes c - e - b - r - a. No pun intended

Cheers,

Urs

pough · Post by **pough** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:13 pm

Might I suggest the microTonic method of demo protection? I still think it's the best way, by far. Noise bursts and dropouts can get in the way of letting someone demo properly, IMO. I never feel like I can really get a sense of how a synth fits into a song with those methods. I think they generate some ill will towards the developer, too.

But adding a spoken message that plays at random will stop a user from being able to make a full song without getting in the way of the synth itself or making a user curse the dev. I think you should record putte quoting some of the "best" of xoxos and make them be the "random noise". Paying customers can get the original samples to use in their songs!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:24 am

Urs wrote:It also doesn't sound anything like a Virus or a Minimoog.

God forbid that! Let other people do those jobs.
Seriously, I just love it how your synths are taking advance of the digital realm.

It's strength is the ease of use (making complex stuff accessible...) and a couple of wild features that IMHO make sense.

Too true.
The OSC FX are just fantastic, nothing less.
Filterscape VA was enlightening allready - but Z2 is gonna be *quite* something else.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:56 am

Sascha Franck wrote:The OSC FX are just fantastic, nothing less.
Filterscape VA was enlightening allready - but Z2 is gonna be *quite* something else.

Well, yeah

Which reminds me that I should write a Zebralette import soonishly... wouldn't be bad to have 300 extra presets that are even super light on cpu...

The waveshapers are gonna be cpu hogs though... some are so drastic that you'll certainly wanna vote for the 4x oversampling option. But don't dare playing chords then

- We'll see...

Oh... and as of today all known modules have the new look & feel. Lemme finish XYs and we're all set for first offisial screenshots!

Cheers,

Urs

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:19 am

ooh so well be able to use the zebralette patches in zebra,now that would be awesom,even more awesomer than it already is

seriously Urs,having seen the very early stages of this development up close at puttes last year,seeing where its got to now,and so close to getting it out there,you should be proud as hell man

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:58 am

vurt wrote:ooh so well be able to use the zebralette patches in zebra,now that would be awesom,even more awesomer than it already is

Sure! And then you can add some filters and stuff

vurt wrote:seriously Urs,having seen the very early stages of this development up close at puttes last year,seeing where its got to now,and so close to getting it out there,you should be proud as hell man

Well, certainly so! But as we say (a bit freestyle translated maybe), don't talk about eggs that havn't got laid

Cheers,

Urs

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:36 am

Urs wrote:Don't buy anything you havn't tried!
After all these pages and years, I'm a bit scared that some of you might be disappointed... I mean, Zebra typically offers less possibilities than other monsters like Absynth or Rhino. It also doesn't sound anything like a Virus or a Minimoog. It's strength is the ease of use (making complex stuff accessible...) and a couple of wild features that IMHO make sense.

I am currently reviewing a virus TI for a local magazine so one of my producer friends came round to see it on Saturday. I played him a few pieces I am working on that use the TI and he was suitably impressed. Except that each time he pointed to some sound that he really liked (and he's very discerning about sound, believe me), it was FSVA, not the TI.

Urs - there aren't many certainties in life, but going purely on filterscape, I have no doubt that Z2 is going to be anything other than amazing.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:48 am

Urs wrote:
gbles wrote:Excellent. I much prefer something like this, which expires after a short-ish period. Just my opinion, but I dislike demos that have sound bursts every 20-30 seconds. Nothing like snapping you out of the mood you're in than a blast of white noise.
Looking forward to checking it out!
I think I'm gonna stick to Z1.5's demo mode. There's no noise burst. It just plays wrong notes after 10 minutes

I bet there's a load of people who use that artistically - I know I would see it as a feature

Maybe the best demo limitation would be for the synth to randomly play a Britney Spears ditty just when one is least expecting it - imagine it just in the middle of composing their latest dark ambient masterpiece

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:00 am

Urs wrote: I have yet to think about demo modes for effects, as I guess that the wrong-notes-thing is the most convenient limitation I've seen so far, but it only works for synths

Cheers,

Urs

would it be possible to set it to a random and or fixed value after ten minutes maybe?
like a very fast chorus or so?

I think using a demo for maybe 10 minutes should give an impression what it can do.
and sure loading of saved patches should be disabled, or it should behave unpredictable when rendering a song.

I think the random stuff for rendering would be the best demo restriction, tho I dont know if it is possible.
or maybe rendering should be disabled at all?

and I´m sure everyone how seriously tries the demo will purchase the full version.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:01 am

Hey suthnear, thanks, I'm flattered!!!

Regarding demo modes... I think not being able to load the work you did isn't ideal. If you've only saved settings with song and accidentally save the song again, it's all lost...

And indeed, I got requests for a back-to-demo button. Some people have built songs with the Z1 demo progression...

Cheers,

Urs

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:51 am

Urs wrote:
Regarding demo modes... I think not being able to load the work you did isn't ideal. If you've only saved settings with song and accidentally save the song again, it's all lost...

Urs

I dont understand this,
my idea is like in energyXT,
you can save but cant reload, only in the demo version, what should be a problem about that?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:33 pm

rsmus7 wrote:I dont understand this,
my idea is like in energyXT,
you can save but cant reload, only in the demo version, what should be a problem about that?

It's actually quite simple

You work on a song with the demo version. You save the song. Two days later you open the song again, but the Zebra2 patch is broken, because no load due demo limitations. You think, uhm, damn... I should buy this... you buy the full version of Zebra in order to get your work back... before you install you have to quit the host. You save the song. Boom. After saving the song again with the wrong settings in Zebra, your patch is totally lost.

That's why I'm not for demo limitations that could lead to accidental loss of data. Any form of "you can save, but you can't load" does provoke exactly such accidents

Cheers,

Urs

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:42 pm

ok

my understanding of demoing is a bit different, tho.

when I nknow in advance I cant reload, then I wouldnt try it.

and I wouldnt try to work on a song with a demo version.
but thats jm2c.

and I dont want to argue about the best demo restrictions.
I know you´ll find a nice way for it.

u-he

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