Let‘s speculate about 6.0

[Milkman]

Well personally I think

[_leras]

To be fair I opened the release thread before it was released, that's it's own kind of wrong...

[billinder33]

when is it appropriate to start a 6.1 speculation thread?

Now

[buckycore]

Why do people do this sort of thing? Why can't we just enjoy the tools that we have in their current state and wait until they're released to see what new features that are going to be offered? The whole sitting around online and "speculating what's new" seems like not only a waste of time, but a waste of value time and energy for making music. I've seen final releases of software happen (example: Bitwig 5) and then people jump up and start buzzing about what's going to be in store for the following release (example: Bitwig 6 long before 5.1 was even released).
Software is a drug addiction, man.

[JHernandez]

^Plugin addiction. For those who can afford it, hardware addiction. Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS).

Outside of music, people that wait in line, for days sometimes, for whatever the newest thing is. iPhones, toys, games, tech gadgets, ect.


Yeah, that's not me.

[koalaboy]

Why do people do this sort of thing? Why can't we just enjoy the tools that we have in their current state and wait until they're released to see what new features that are going to be offered?

Honestly, because the entire marketing/advertising industry has employed every pyschological (and other) trick to condition people into this, as they want to sell-sell-sell.

The internet made that so much easier - it used to just be the cold-call salesmen or the overly attentive shop assistants, but nowadays everything is indoctrinating your mind to *want* the next thing, at the expense of quality, integrity and humanity.

If you're lucky that you don't feel affected, then you are truly blessed. Keep that direction and don't get dragged into the maelstrom, as it's extremely difficult to escape once you've fallen in - it's not the fault of the person, but the society they live in.

[hughbarnard]

Hi, Maybe idiot question but I can't deduce from this: does scaler3 integrate (well) with bitwig?
It looks like what I need, since I was a heavy user of BIAB until I abandoned Windows. Also I mainly use midi guitar, so I'd like to have something to lay down chord sequences.

[coroknight]

It depends on how you view it. For some people music is a profession, and that’s fine. For others it’s a hobby and they might focus more on the music part or the technology part.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with enjoying cool music tech and being excited by the next toy to play with as long as people aren’t lying to themselves about it and don’t spend too much money on the hobby.

For some folks DAWs, plugins, etc. are more like a video game. A cool new toy to play with and experiment with. Most people here are probably hobbyists and don’t have an intention of being a famous producer.

[Trancit]

Nonetheless it´s true that the marketing machinery have most of us trained like dogs to always want more and never be happy with what we got already... no matter for what reason imho...

There might be some who resist (respect for your mental strength ) but the large majority is suffering from this desease...

[Milkman]

Art is a human behavior, not a product. Most of us dont have our feet on that ground anymore.

[coroknight]

Does someone need to be a race car driver in order to want a race car?

Does someone need to be a pro chef to enjoy buying and collecting knives?

Does someone need to be a pro photographer to enjoy a nice camera and camera gadgets?

[Trancit]

Does someone need to be a race car driver in order to want a race car?

No, but is it healthy or even "normal" to immediately want to have a bigger, faster, more expensive one in the same moment as you received the actual one instead of just enjoying and using the one you have now?

Imho for me the "desease" is not asking for more or at least something big in general...no matter for what reason...
The problems lies in never being satisfied...
Nothing you get is enough...
You get an update, you say thank you but in the same moment the wheel starts turning again...:
"Wouldn´t it be great when they would do XYZ" ...

I don´t know about others but I find myself thinking this way often enough.
But stepping a bit back and watching yourself you must admit that this is actually silly.
You haven´t maxxed out what you got in not the slightest way and you can discover so much more and mostly it´s a good thing having to work around some minor issues, experimenting and finding new ways, but instead you want more... better, faster, deeper, higher...etc...

I think I am not alone with this behaviour...

[xbitz]

In Bitwig, you can get far more out of the synergy between parts than from the sum of the parts — that’s why the BWS Grid is so powerful. Those who don’t use it are just waiting for the devs to think for them. Have fun with that

"Don't just stand there and shout it. Do something about it " DM, Judas

[coroknight]

Does someone need to be a race car driver in order to want a race car?

No, but is it healthy or even "normal" to immediately want to have a bigger, faster, more expensive one in the same moment as you received the actual one instead of just enjoying and using the one you have now?

Imho for me the "desease" is not asking for more or at least something big in general...no matter for what reason...
The problems lies in never being satisfied...
Nothing you get is enough...
You get an update, you say thank you but in the same moment the wheel starts turning again...:
"Wouldn´t it be great when they would do XYZ" ...

I don´t know about others but I find myself thinking this way often enough.
But stepping a bit back and watching yourself you must admit that this is actually silly.
You haven´t maxxed out what you got in not the slightest way and you can discover so much more and mostly it´s a good thing having to work around some minor issues, experimenting and finding new ways, but instead you want more... better, faster, deeper, higher...etc...

I think I am not alone with this behaviour...

It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re viewing it from the perspective of making music being the primary goal.

That might sound silly at face value because we’re talking about software built for making music but consider that for some people the technology is what’s exciting to them and as long as they understand that I don’t see an issue with it.

It’s only a “disease”, as you put it, if someone is lying to themselves and spending too much money they can’t afford.

But as long as nobody is being hurt then why is it wrong to be excited by the next bitwig update or the next fancy plug-in? Fundamentally how is that different from collecting race cars, fancy knives, and camera gadgets if you’re not a race car driver, chef, or professional photographer?

Sometimes people just like things.

That’s the purpose of the examples I gave and unfortunately you took the route of creating a strawman instead of trying to understand the point.

[Milkman]

In Bitwig, you can get far more out of the synergy between parts than from the sum of the parts — that’s why the BWS Grid is so powerful. Those who don’t use it are just waiting for the devs to think for them. Have fun with that

"Don't just stand there and shout it. Do something about it " DM, Judas

Agreed. This is something I try to put into words from time to time, to do with bitwig. I switch between cubase 14 and bitwig 6 almost every day, and... bitwig's "usability" is superior to cubase, even if cubase has a gargantuan number of overall features. I enjoy my time in bitwig more than c14 because bitwig feels fresh, fast, intuitive, and focused, while cubase is massive, functional, powerful, satisfying. I do enjoy both, now.

Being entirely honest(Ive previously written volumes of angry feedback about cubase), steinberg *has* improved c14 over c10 through and c13, in terms of stability, features (modulators, an idea borrowed from bitwig), etc. All the things that drove me away from cubase a few years ago appear to have been resolved (and I didnt even have to buy a new PC).

Ive rambled. This wasnt about other DAWs, but I felt like I had to talk about cubase vs bitwig here.